aesculus
Still Trying to Figure This All Out
Do you think the "fuzzy" texture lining has anything to do with the snow sticking more in the wheel well?
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I wonder if a protective layer that sheds mud would help prevent snow/mud build-up on the inner wheel well? Next time I clean my car, I'll try to spray one of the wheel wells to see if it makes a difference.
I added 1/4” high D gasket to the front doors opposite the gasket on the frame and this took care of some draft down by the outer knee and thigh of the front passenger and I noticed it was not cold when I put my hand down by the seat controls. About 12F outside today. There is another gasket along the bottom of the door which doesn’t seem to be very tight (doesn’t hold a piece of paper) and I may give that one a mate as well. I had a little bit leftover and put that inside the C gasket on the frame where the fixed window rests and noticed less frost on the window compared to yesterday, but yesterday was about 10F colder, too.
Service had done some gasket work on the doors when the car was new which cut down a lot on noise and I did not notice much difference in that regard. Most road noise seems to come through the dash from the front wheel wells. I suspect the doors themselves could use a little soundproofing, too. May look into something for that next.
Service had done some gasket work on the doors when the car was new which cut down a lot on noise and I did not notice much difference in that regard. Most road noise seems to come through the dash from the front wheel wells. I suspect the doors themselves could use a little soundproofing, too. May look into something for that next.
From decades of driving in Quebec winters, that combination of settings will pretty much guarantee rapid window fogging.
To de-humidify the air you and passengers are exhaling (plus possibly from melting snow in the floor mats) you need to keep the A/C ON, and you must allow fresh air in (turn recirc OFF).
The Pirelli's are marketed as winter performance tires, but I've always found them to be inferior to "proper" winter tires without racing aspirations (Nokians, Michelin XIce, etc...).
I tried the Pirelli Scorpions Tesla were selling on a loaner, and really did not like them (poor grip, sliding as you noted).
Of course, heavy cars and snow / ice never make a good combination, but there is significant variation between brands.
Did I mention I love Nokians ?
Jeff4155
Member
I don't know much about snow driving, but I do know that in off road situations the correct tires makes a massive difference, any one tried proper off road tires and I am not talking about the sports 4x4 tires on the X before?
Material was Frost King E/O 5/16 in. x 1/4 in. x 17 ft. Black EPDM Cellular Rubber Weatherstrip Tape-V25BK - The Home Depot
Separate the two D strips and each one is enough for one front door.
Apply to the metal on the door just outside the interior finish area in a U shape, up as high as it will stick. In the pics the native gaskets are marked by yellow arrows and the added by red.
In the corner window area I used the leftover to pad out the existing C gasket by tucking it inside the curve.
Sorry for the mess—winter.
The outer door gasket could make a tighter seal as well so a gasket on the opposing chassis part could help but would be exposed to more trauma and weather.
The FWD gaskets look well compressed in all areas but I can still pull a piece of paper through them without much effort along the bottom. If there were a tape which could stick to the native gasket, be supple, and add just a mm or two of thickness that would be great.
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Model X Winter Experience story time!
This past weekend, I rented a place in Tahoe so the kids could go play in the new fallen snow. We left on Friday morning around 9/9:30am and made our way to the Rocklin Supercharger. On the way, I saw amber signs saying that I-80 was closed due to whiteout conditions. While charging, I found that indeed, 80 was closed at Colfax due to heavy snow and had no ETA on opening. We decided to kill some time in Rocklin eating and shopping, then meander our way up the hill toward Colfax slowly. I charged to 95%.
I stopped in Auburn at a music store and played some acoustic guitars (Taylors) for about an hour, and we decided to drive up to Colfax and see how things looked. Sure enough, road was closed and the town was mobbed with people waiting out the opening of the interstate. We parked for about 30 minutes and realized this was a waste of our time, so we headed down the hill toward Auburn to take the kids bowling. I think that bowling alley was as busy as a Friday night, as we weren't the only ones with the idea. I continually checked the DOT cams at Colfax to see if the road was open - it wasn't, so we drove to get some pizza and wait a little longer before deciding our next course of action. After sitting and ordering, I saw the road open. We got the food to go and hurried up the hill.
On the way, I realized that trip planner had us arriving at our destination with only 10% SOC remaining, but it also was trying to reroute us off of the highway due to traffic. I still didn't like the estimate, but I also didn't want to drive back down to Rocklin, charge, and risk having I-80 close again. There are two CHAdeMO stops open along 80 now -- Dutch Flat and Emigrant Gap. I figured I would just play it by ear, and we headed up past Colfax and into the snow.
Things went smoothly all the way up to Emigrant Gap, and despite trip planner suggesting I would arrive with 9% SOC at my destination, I knew I could also stop in Truckee which was slightly short of the destination. I decided not to stop and to press forward. That's where I made a huge error.
Once we got past Yuba Pass, traffic slowed down considerably to stop-and-go levels. Continuing on, traffic eventually stopped dead just short of Donner Pass. I had 24 rated miles left. I turned the cabin heat off, which had already been lowered to 65. We sat in traffic for about two hours, and the problem is that without cabin heat, I cannot defrost the windshield. We were in blizzard conditions, the snow was piling up, and I was getting out every 5 minutes or so to brush off the car so I could see. Traffic began to move again, I couldn't see well enough, and I had to pull over and scrape again. Wipers were frozen solid and worthless, so I brushed manually through an open window while driving.
Traffic stopped again just over Donner Pass. 17 rated miles left and I was about ready to call a flatbed, as I figured it would take hours to get one and I could get a head start. I knew we had a descent to Truckee but had no idea how long we'd be in traffic. Thankfully, not long, but visibility was horrendous even without windshield issues. We made it down at about 2mph, and limped into the Supercharger with about 10 miles of rated range left.
I'm not sure I've been so happy to plug in. I hit the defrost on HI and exhaled.
The lesson is simple and already common knowledge: plan accordingly in winter conditions and don't take risks. I was under the pressures of a vacation that might not happen (road closure), the fear of a road closing on us while waiting for a charge, and a bit of impatience, and I made an error I am unlikely to repeat.
Oh, we got stuck in a drift pulling into our rental house, and I had to dig us out. Also, leaving my home, our gate accidentally closed on the X and broke the plastic trim around the passenger side front wheel well.
Yeah.
This past weekend, I rented a place in Tahoe so the kids could go play in the new fallen snow. We left on Friday morning around 9/9:30am and made our way to the Rocklin Supercharger. On the way, I saw amber signs saying that I-80 was closed due to whiteout conditions. While charging, I found that indeed, 80 was closed at Colfax due to heavy snow and had no ETA on opening. We decided to kill some time in Rocklin eating and shopping, then meander our way up the hill toward Colfax slowly. I charged to 95%.
I stopped in Auburn at a music store and played some acoustic guitars (Taylors) for about an hour, and we decided to drive up to Colfax and see how things looked. Sure enough, road was closed and the town was mobbed with people waiting out the opening of the interstate. We parked for about 30 minutes and realized this was a waste of our time, so we headed down the hill toward Auburn to take the kids bowling. I think that bowling alley was as busy as a Friday night, as we weren't the only ones with the idea. I continually checked the DOT cams at Colfax to see if the road was open - it wasn't, so we drove to get some pizza and wait a little longer before deciding our next course of action. After sitting and ordering, I saw the road open. We got the food to go and hurried up the hill.
On the way, I realized that trip planner had us arriving at our destination with only 10% SOC remaining, but it also was trying to reroute us off of the highway due to traffic. I still didn't like the estimate, but I also didn't want to drive back down to Rocklin, charge, and risk having I-80 close again. There are two CHAdeMO stops open along 80 now -- Dutch Flat and Emigrant Gap. I figured I would just play it by ear, and we headed up past Colfax and into the snow.
Things went smoothly all the way up to Emigrant Gap, and despite trip planner suggesting I would arrive with 9% SOC at my destination, I knew I could also stop in Truckee which was slightly short of the destination. I decided not to stop and to press forward. That's where I made a huge error.
Once we got past Yuba Pass, traffic slowed down considerably to stop-and-go levels. Continuing on, traffic eventually stopped dead just short of Donner Pass. I had 24 rated miles left. I turned the cabin heat off, which had already been lowered to 65. We sat in traffic for about two hours, and the problem is that without cabin heat, I cannot defrost the windshield. We were in blizzard conditions, the snow was piling up, and I was getting out every 5 minutes or so to brush off the car so I could see. Traffic began to move again, I couldn't see well enough, and I had to pull over and scrape again. Wipers were frozen solid and worthless, so I brushed manually through an open window while driving.
Traffic stopped again just over Donner Pass. 17 rated miles left and I was about ready to call a flatbed, as I figured it would take hours to get one and I could get a head start. I knew we had a descent to Truckee but had no idea how long we'd be in traffic. Thankfully, not long, but visibility was horrendous even without windshield issues. We made it down at about 2mph, and limped into the Supercharger with about 10 miles of rated range left.
I'm not sure I've been so happy to plug in. I hit the defrost on HI and exhaled.
The lesson is simple and already common knowledge: plan accordingly in winter conditions and don't take risks. I was under the pressures of a vacation that might not happen (road closure), the fear of a road closing on us while waiting for a charge, and a bit of impatience, and I made an error I am unlikely to repeat.
Oh, we got stuck in a drift pulling into our rental house, and I had to dig us out. Also, leaving my home, our gate accidentally closed on the X and broke the plastic trim around the passenger side front wheel well.
Yeah.
McManX
Member
Model X Winter Experience story time!
This past weekend, I rented a place in Tahoe so the kids could go play in the new fallen snow. We left on Friday morning around 9/9:30am and made our way to the Rocklin Supercharger. On the way, I saw amber signs saying that I-80 was closed due to whiteout conditions. While charging, I found that indeed, 80 was closed at Colfax due to heavy snow and had no ETA on opening. We decided to kill some time in Rocklin eating and shopping, then meander our way up the hill toward Colfax slowly. I charged to 95%.
I stopped in Auburn at a music store and played some acoustic guitars (Taylors) for about an hour, and we decided to drive up to Colfax and see how things looked. Sure enough, road was closed and the town was mobbed with people waiting out the opening of the interstate. We parked for about 30 minutes and realized this was a waste of our time, so we headed down the hill toward Auburn to take the kids bowling. I think that bowling alley was as busy as a Friday night, as we weren't the only ones with the idea. I continually checked the DOT cams at Colfax to see if the road was open - it wasn't, so we drove to get some pizza and wait a little longer before deciding our next course of action. After sitting and ordering, I saw the road open. We got the food to go and hurried up the hill.
On the way, I realized that trip planner had us arriving at our destination with only 10% SOC remaining, but it also was trying to reroute us off of the highway due to traffic. I still didn't like the estimate, but I also didn't want to drive back down to Rocklin, charge, and risk having I-80 close again. There are two CHAdeMO stops open along 80 now -- Dutch Flat and Emigrant Gap. I figured I would just play it by ear, and we headed up past Colfax and into the snow.
Things went smoothly all the way up to Emigrant Gap, and despite trip planner suggesting I would arrive with 9% SOC at my destination, I knew I could also stop in Truckee which was slightly short of the destination. I decided not to stop and to press forward. That's where I made a huge error.
Once we got past Yuba Pass, traffic slowed down considerably to stop-and-go levels. Continuing on, traffic eventually stopped dead just short of Donner Pass. I had 24 rated miles left. I turned the cabin heat off, which had already been lowered to 65. We sat in traffic for about two hours, and the problem is that without cabin heat, I cannot defrost the windshield. We were in blizzard conditions, the snow was piling up, and I was getting out every 5 minutes or so to brush off the car so I could see. Traffic began to move again, I couldn't see well enough, and I had to pull over and scrape again. Wipers were frozen solid and worthless, so I brushed manually through an open window while driving.
Traffic stopped again just over Donner Pass. 17 rated miles left and I was about ready to call a flatbed, as I figured it would take hours to get one and I could get a head start. I knew we had a descent to Truckee but had no idea how long we'd be in traffic. Thankfully, not long, but visibility was horrendous even without windshield issues. We made it down at about 2mph, and limped into the Supercharger with about 10 miles of rated range left.
I'm not sure I've been so happy to plug in. I hit the defrost on HI and exhaled.
The lesson is simple and already common knowledge: plan accordingly in winter conditions and don't take risks. I was under the pressures of a vacation that might not happen (road closure), the fear of a road closing on us while waiting for a charge, and a bit of impatience, and I made an error I am unlikely to repeat.
Oh, we got stuck in a drift pulling into our rental house, and I had to dig us out. Also, leaving my home, our gate accidentally closed on the X and broke the plastic trim around the passenger side front wheel well.
Yeah.
Wheels and tires? Any comments?
I am on the stock 20" Conti silent cross contact, all season. I feel they perform amazingly in the worst (best?) CA winter conditions through the Sierra.
Wheels and tires are the same as yours and I had zero traction or maneuverability issues despite having 27k miles on them. Nothing wrong with the car here, just the foolish driver.
This is interesting to me because it is diametrically opposed to my experiences. I think folks suggestions regarding the A/C may be a good one. I have found the climate control in the X to be superior to every other car I have owned. Whether Sedan or SUV. In sub-freezing weather, it is just unfair to the gas-powered vehicles due to the electric heat being on instantly. The tesla probably gets a 5-10 minute "head start" with regard to heating the cabin. I always chuckle to myself when I pass the point where my former cars would start pumping heat into the cabin since the X is already getting me to comfortable by that point.
Regarding winter handling, I have been astonished at how good the X is. I am a Massachusetts driver and have come directly from a Toyota Sequoia and a Lexus GX460. Both of those were outstanding but neither can hold a candle to the X. It's traction control is at another level. In fact, I routinely impress friends by pulling into a snowy parking lot and flooring it. As the car accelerates quickly in a straight line with almost no wheel slip, they are reduced to a simple "wow."
Since you precluded winter tires as being a solution, one thing I would check is the treads on your existing set.
Regarding winter handling, I have been astonished at how good the X is. I am a Massachusetts driver and have come directly from a Toyota Sequoia and a Lexus GX460. Both of those were outstanding but neither can hold a candle to the X. It's traction control is at another level. In fact, I routinely impress friends by pulling into a snowy parking lot and flooring it. As the car accelerates quickly in a straight line with almost no wheel slip, they are reduced to a simple "wow."
Since you precluded winter tires as being a solution, one thing I would check is the treads on your existing set.
Sparky
Member
For winter, I'm running 19" Bridgestone Blizzaks. They perform great in Utah powder and frosty downhill runs to Park City. However, I take about a 10% hit in range relative to the 20" stocks. So, for your specific conditions, I would not have made it to the destination. And Nav always overestimates remaining charge until it's gotten several miles down the road. I've got it calibrated now.
But, I've also learned the hard way. Thanks for sharing your experience.
Tesla Model X P100D: The Nor'easter Test
The X really is a great winter vehicle. The stock tires aren’t that good for winter driving. With proper tires the X is a beast as per Road and Track.
The X really is a great winter vehicle. The stock tires aren’t that good for winter driving. With proper tires the X is a beast as per Road and Track.
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