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Model S and X may have started being built with Tesla batteries. Tesla may have discontinued Panasonic 18650 packs in 75kwh cars. This would explain why there is such a great 0-60 reduction on 75kwh cars and not on 100kwh cars.
The gigafactory battery packs may be much lighter reducing the overall weight of vehicles and reducing 0-60.
It would make sense as Model 3 P75D may use the same or similar pack but there is no 100kwh pack coming out of the gigafactory yet. 100D could still be running the old 18650 packs, if this is true, I'd expect a performance upgrade to 100D when that car eventually gets the Tesla pack
 
I don't know what to say anymore. I missed the first AP1.0 by 1 week, then I waited for the AP2.0. And now my x75d is dated in just 6 months, and the EAP doesn't even work right as promised.

Don't worry, MX owners who ordered their cars by the Dec 31st deadline to get free unlimited supercharging will be disapponted on Jan 1st 2018.

Those who ordered their car on Jun 30th 2018 will be disappointed on July 1st 2018.

That's the pros of Tesla ownership. I don't call it a con because I think continuous innovation is a good thing - even if my neighbor gets a better car than I have.

All I need to decide is if I am happy with my purchase decision TODAY. If I am, no hard feelings.

Since I will likely refresh my MX before my neighbor I will be laughing at his old car. Well.. until he refreshes 6 months after me!
 
Don't worry, MX owners who ordered their cars by the Dec 31st deadline to get free unlimited supercharging will be disapponted on Jan 1st 2018.

Those who ordered their car on Jun 30th 2018 will be disappointed on July 1st 2018.

That's the pros of Tesla ownership. I don't call it a con because I think continuous innovation is a good thing - even if my neighbor gets a better car than I have.

All I need to decide is if I am happy with my purchase decision TODAY. If I am, no hard feelings.

Since I will likely refresh my MX before my neighbor I will be laughing at his old car. Well.. until he refreshes 6 months after me!

Agree!!! If you don't like innovation, go buy something else...
 
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That's the pros of Tesla ownership. I don't call it a con because I think continuous innovation is a good thing - even if my neighbor gets a better car than I have.

All I need to decide is if I am happy with my purchase decision TODAY. If I am, no hard feelings.

You can certainly decide that. Some are very able. Also many don't care at all about such things. I too have areas in life where I really don't care about such things and I couldn't care less if the thing I get becomes old the next day. Unfortunately cars are not one of them. :)

I'm just being realistic. I have enough purchase experience behind me to know that the buying satisfaction - for me and many people like me - does take a hit when a product type we care about is replaced with a new one right after or even before taking delivery. TMC certainly is full of people like that, it is just human nature. So people like me plan carefully and try to time our purchases to get the latest for those products. I will look at when a manufacturer is refreshing a model, when their refresh weeks in the calendar are, and all that plays into my decision... With Tesla that is pretty much impossible, though.

Six months later... a year later, that's nothing. Who cares. It's the immediate period, that's the emotional part, because it ties into the whole experience and will have a lasting impression on how successful the purchase has felt. We all know technology ages, but if it ages already in that period where you're just getting grips with it, it can be emotionally unpleasant.

I got it right on my Model X, it is quickly approaching that six months old and has more features overall, discontinued particulars I like and was much cheaper then the Model X currently on sale. Eventually HUDs and whatnots will render it obsolete, that's normal progress. That's OK, it was in the end as well times as a Tesla buy can be. But this is becoming quite rare and hard to do with Tesla to get that six months. With the Model S non-AP, with the long delivery times I got it a few weeks after AP1 was launched. It was OK because I was aiming for the Model X anyway, but certainly it would have been nicer to be able to plan for such a thing.

With a German, pfft, it is simple to plan for a successful "honeymoon" period and extremely rare and unlucky to fail if you know what you're doing and have the patience to follow your own advice. There are basically certain weeks in a year to order and also certain sites to follow to get a good idea when a refresh is coming. That is useful in as big a buy as a car.

So, Tesla's policy - in the end - is making me reluctant to buy another. I know myself, why take the risk with such a big investment. Without a clear model-year type of upgrade point or usual refresh/facelift type of visibility into Tesla's roadmap, the tools we have for planning around this are very limited. It does not mean I would never buy a Tesla (certainly I've bought two), but it means their policy is creating a perpetual Osborne effect in my mind. The threshold for pulling the trigger again is getting higher.
 
Model S and X may have started being built with Tesla batteries. Tesla may have discontinued Panasonic 18650 packs in 75kwh cars. This would explain why there is such a great 0-60 reduction on 75kwh cars and not on 100kwh cars.
The gigafactory battery packs may be much lighter reducing the overall weight of vehicles and reducing 0-60.
It would make sense as Model 3 P75D may use the same or similar pack but there is no 100kwh pack coming out of the gigafactory yet. 100D could still be running the old 18650 packs, if this is true, I'd expect a performance upgrade to 100D when that car eventually gets the Tesla pack
Source please?
I would like to bet against it, while hoping to be wrong. Win-win for me.
JB has come out telling about always looking to improve the converters as such significant gains are made there. If more efficient, same range with fewer cells. If more power, faster 0-60 with the same amount of cells.
 
So, Tesla's policy - in the end - is making me reluctant to buy another. I know myself, why take the risk with such a big investment. Without a clear model-year type of upgrade point or usual refresh/facelift type of visibility into Tesla's roadmap, the tools we have for planning around this are very limited. It does not mean I would never buy a Tesla (certainly I've bought two), but it means their policy is creating a perpetual Osborne effect in my mind. The threshold for pulling the trigger again is getting higher.

I can't agree with you more. The feeling is like I woke up on July 1st..., then What the heck? My model X is now 1.1 second slower
 
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Source please?
I would like to bet against it, while hoping to be wrong. Win-win for me.
JB has come out telling about always looking to improve the converters as such significant gains are made there. If more efficient, same range with fewer cells. If more power, faster 0-60 with the same amount of cells.
Must already made it clear there are no plans to switch the S and X battery structure, so I'm 100% sure the person you're quoting is wrong.
 
Its not even about innovation at this point. These are "Known" upgrades to tesla they purposely push out after each quarter to play the deliveries game.

As a TSLA investor and a car owner I am ok with this. Tesla is not a charity and not certainly one that people just donate to. They need to keep moving sales.

I can't agree with you more. The feeling is like I woke up on July 1st..., then What the heck? My model X is now 1.1 second slower

Your Model X is the exact same speed as the day you bought it. Our cars are the same age as I took delivery in Dec 2016. Did you not drive and enjoy the car for 6 months?

You need to examine yourself if you can be seemingly content for one day and the be upset for others 24 hours later just because some other Tesla owner gets a nicer car. Would you be happier to drag them down to our level and no one gets a better car than us? At least for 5 years?

I remember very well how heartbroken some owners were who took delivery one day, one week and one month before Elons announcement on AP2 on all cars in production. I argued that they need serenity and wisdom to accept the things they cannot change.

Guess what, its OUR turn to pay the piper. OUR turn to be happy for the progress that Tesla is experiencing and the joy of other owners.
 
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You can certainly decide that. Some are very able. Also many don't care at all about such things. I too have areas in life where I really don't care about such things and I couldn't care less if the thing I get becomes old the next day. Unfortunately cars are not one of them. :)

I'm just being realistic. I have enough purchase experience behind me to know that the buying satisfaction - for me and many people like me - does take a hit when a product type we care about is replaced with a new one right after or even before taking delivery. TMC certainly is full of people like that, it is just human nature. So people like me plan carefully and try to time our purchases to get the latest for those products. I will look at when a manufacturer is refreshing a model, when their refresh weeks in the calendar are, and all that plays into my decision... With Tesla that is pretty much impossible, though.

Six months later... a year later, that's nothing. Who cares. It's the immediate period, that's the emotional part, because it ties into the whole experience and will have a lasting impression on how successful the purchase has felt. We all know technology ages, but if it ages already in that period where you're just getting grips with it, it can be emotionally unpleasant.

I got it right on my Model X, it is quickly approaching that six months old and has more features overall, discontinued particulars I like and was much cheaper then the Model X currently on sale. Eventually HUDs and whatnots will render it obsolete, that's normal progress. That's OK, it was in the end as well times as a Tesla buy can be. But this is becoming quite rare and hard to do with Tesla to get that six months. With the Model S non-AP, with the long delivery times I got it a few weeks after AP1 was launched. It was OK because I was aiming for the Model X anyway, but certainly it would have been nicer to be able to plan for such a thing.

With a German, pfft, it is simple to plan for a successful "honeymoon" period and extremely rare and unlucky to fail if you know what you're doing and have the patience to follow your own advice. There are basically certain weeks in a year to order and also certain sites to follow to get a good idea when a refresh is coming. That is useful in as big a buy as a car.

So, Tesla's policy - in the end - is making me reluctant to buy another. I know myself, why take the risk with such a big investment. Without a clear model-year type of upgrade point or usual refresh/facelift type of visibility into Tesla's roadmap, the tools we have for planning around this are very limited. It does not mean I would never buy a Tesla (certainly I've bought two), but it means their policy is creating a perpetual Osborne effect in my mind. The threshold for pulling the trigger again is getting higher.

So you are going to go buy German cars now because you can't stand the thought of your neighbor having a better vehicle than you in the near future?

You will die of old age before changing cars if you expect Tesla to stop innovating on a quarterly basis.

Certain refreshes yes, it makes sense from the consumer viewpoint to try and time that. I was happy to be one of the first cars with AP2. AP2 will be safe for awhile as they have awhile to mature that.

On the other hand people actually complained that AP2 sucks more than AP1 and they were bait and switched with the new hardware.

Moral of the story is you there is no limit to how selfish, self serving and whining human beings can be. What first world problems Tesla owners have.

Not to say I wasn't annoyed by the no more super charging to unlimited SC for existing owners to now only unlimited through 2017. Annoying but not the end of the world.

I'm not upset to the point of buying an I-Pace. You must not care about supercharging at all if you are ok with driving a car 100 miles and then turning it around.

You got the car you ordered. You want to keep delaying future cars because you are scared of unknown shadows lurking - that is your ability to vote with your wallet.

I'll ask Elon nicely if I can boost the Dec 2016 X speeds through upgrades and software.

Bonus if I can, I'll live if I cannot.

I've not fallen so far off the stupid tree that I need to write 'open letters' to serve my own interests.
 
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As a TSLA investor

Well, that makes you biased in the other direction, so that needs to be considered.

esla is not a charity and not certainly one that people just donate to. They need to keep moving sales.

Car buyer's of coures are biased towards their purchase experience. Car buyer's too have an inherent need to be happy about their purchases, they are not a charity giving Tesla money either... ;)

Your Model X is the exact same speed as the day you bought it. Our cars are the same age as I took delivery in Dec 2016. Did you not drive and enjoy the car for 6 months?

While personally with a Tesla I would be OK with six months (that's around the time I now expect my Model X is "current"), because I know how difficult it is even to get that... given a "normal" car, I would probably expect a successfully timed purchase to be perhaps two years away from the next major change. It is often possible, though of course not for all details. With Tesla it is a total crapshoot.

You need to examine yourself if you can be seemingly content for one day and the be upset for others 24 hours later just because some other Tesla owner gets a nicer car.

It isn't about what other's are getting, it is the psychology of a purchase and what you personally are getting relative to what is available. Before you pull the trigger, all the options are open. Once you do pull the trigger, you (may) close yourself from those other options. It is the relative value of your purchase that is subject to change. A faster, better replacement that you missed out on affects the perceived relative value of that purchase made - and the financial commitment taken limiting further options makes it worse (assuming such a limitation exists).

I remember very well how heartbroken some owners were who took delivery one day, one week and one month before Elons announcement on AP2 on all cars in production. I argued that they need serenity and wisdom to accept the things they cannot change.

That is certainly one way to approach it. Good for those whom it works for. What I am arguing is that this risk of buyer's remorse under this Tesla policy is so high that those customer's who care about these things (certainly not all do), should really think hard whether or not and when to buy a Tesla. Keep your powder dry longer and only buy once you absolutely must. And consider the peace of mind a competing large-battery BEVs may eventually give you in this regard, once those are available. Maybe in the meanwhile consider an older CPO (say, a Model S Signature) where you make an intentionally different type of investment.

Guess what, its OUR turn to pay the piper. OUR turn to be happy for the progress that Tesla is experiencing and the joy of other owners.

Nah. Business is an exchange. The expectation that both sides are happy is not an unreasonable one. We are exploring one side of the story causing unhappiness. It may not affect you (and certainly it does not affect all), but it is nevertheless a real phenomenon. Tesla's constant product changes have an effect on customer satisfaction - and that includes a negative effect.
 
As a TSLA investor and a car owner I am ok with this. Tesla is not a charity and not certainly one that people just donate to. They need to keep moving sales.



Your Model X is the exact same speed as the day you bought it. Our cars are the same age as I took delivery in Dec 2016. Did you not drive and enjoy the car for 6 months?

You need to examine yourself if you can be seemingly content for one day and the be upset for others 24 hours later just because some other Tesla owner gets a nicer car. Would you be happier to drag them down to our level and no one gets a better car than us? At least for 5 years?

I remember very well how heartbroken some owners were who took delivery one day, one week and one month before Elons announcement on AP2 on all cars in production. I argued that they need serenity and wisdom to accept the things they cannot change.

Guess what, its OUR turn to pay the piper. OUR turn to be happy for the progress that Tesla is experiencing and the joy of other owners.

Just like you I'm a Tesla Investor and car owner, and I completely disagree with this.

Tesla a few years back was "pro-consumer" - as in rather than being sneaky like this, if there was an update, they'd make it so previous owners could get it. I.e. folding mirrors, Ludicrious mode upgrade, hell even refunded owners who paid the old price for ludicrous mode when they decreased the price.

That's "consumer friendly" - it gets positive loyalty from existing customers, and attracts new customers who don't have to be afraid of timing.

Lately, Tesla's completely changed. Look at AP 2.0 for instance, they started releasing cars like the Model X with extra housing/wiring for additional gear almost making it look like it was "upgradeable" so no risk buying now. And then what do you know, complete change non retrofittable. The head honcho at my location told me he knew months in advance of the announcement but was not at liberty to share - that means they knew this was happening before they even released the Model X in Canada.

Skip that - Lets look at pricing, its almost as if every month pricing is changing (at least in Canada!) - bought my second X, following week price went up 3k, following month price went down 5k, and you get more options included? Do you really think this is going to be keeping customers loyal?

No one is calling Tesla a charity, especially given they have the highest gross margin on cars in the industry, but this is borderline deceiving your customers. They're putting more pressure on short term gains at the risk of losing long term sales from loyal customers.

Another instance, I was being pressured by my Delivery specialist to pick up my car by March 31st...I told him I did not want it in the end of quarter rush, but he assured me I'd be fine. Financing interest rates at that time in Canada were 3.6%. I got lucky, something went wrong with my financing paperwork and they couldn't deliver. What do you know...April 1st comes along and financing rates drop to 2.49%!

On a 100k+ loan thats an insane amount of savings every year.

I get it, most Tesla owners are "rich" and don't care and can turn around and buy another one at will, some of us on the other hand went beyond our means to be able to enjoy the cars, only to feel "ripped off" in many of these cases. (I.e. buying the X 1 month before the AP 2 release, because the advisors would tell you "Oh no its years out, won't come anytime soon - BS!)