My experience taking Tesla to court about FSD

[Zilla91]

The main problem with having no audible alert when AP disengages is that it’s not immediately obvious it has disengaged.

With BMW or other brands you have a pretty prominent visual indicator in the HUD or the instrument binnacle that’s right in front of you so you know straight away it’s off. Sadly Tesla only have the screen in the middle that you’re now not allowed to look at for too long

What @yessuz says about AP auto disengaging and reengaging when the indicators are on is a no brainer. It would avoid the constant binging and bonging that’s obviously driving him mad, judging by his last few posts

All the talk comparing autopilot on a plane with ADAS on a car is bollocks because a car isn’t an aeroplane

 

[yessuz]

And those accidental disengagements?

Any those times when you think you’ve double clicked to engage and only single clicked.

Still think silent engagement/disengagement is a good idea?

Accident disengagement is not equal Disengaging due to lane change...
It Never ever happened to me to think that i enabled something that is not enabled, because there is indication on screen. HUGE one. that indication takes 40% of screen estate. vs single indication light on other cars. but people drive those and have no issues.

 

[init6]

Of all the crazy things that happened in 2023 I didn't expect @Pagemakers to be called a Tesla fanboy

 

[pdk42]

Bongs aside, I have to say that AP today is much worse than it was in 2019 when I got my Model 3. The Y I picked up just before Christmas is, if anything, worse than the 3 - at least in terms of phantom braking and the really intrusive attention checking. Thankfully I quite like driving the car so crappy AP isn’t top of my list of complaints. But for sure, Tesla’s implementation of lane keeping and TACC is now worse than any of the German marques.

 

[Zilla91]

The attention checking really isn’t intrusive and from my admittedly limited experience so far it’s eliminated the need to periodically wiggle the steering wheel

Maybe try keeping your eyes on the road?

 

[pdk42]

The attention checking really isn’t intrusive and from my admittedly limited experience so far it’s eliminated the need to periodically wiggle the steering wheel

Maybe try keeping your eyes on the road?

Even if I gaze lovingly into the windscreen, the steering nag cuts in as often as it’s always done.

 

[GRiLLA]

so tesla could... just Do not ****in disengage with Lane change then?!

not that hard, huh?

They do that already, as the option called EAP or FSD.

Is your complaint that you don't have the option ?

 

[Tony Hoyle]

EAP still disengages it in the many cases that you need to manually lane change because the auto either wouldn't work or could possibly swerve dangerously.

 

[ewoodrick]

Even if I gaze lovingly into the windscreen, the steering nag cuts in as often as it’s always done.

Teh steering wheel nag and the camera nag are two different things, not related. You must satisfy both.

 

[ewoodrick]

EAP still disengages it in the many cases that you need to manually lane change because the auto either wouldn't work or could possibly swerve dangerously.

Yes, when you turn the wheel or touch the brakes, it tells that car that you have control. If you want the car to take control back, you have to press the lever.

 

[Kabadi]

great thread @edb49

Can I ask who you addressed the initial letter to?

Also do you happen to have screenshots of the relevant Tesla pages from June 2020?

Thanks

 

[Pagemakers]

It’s in the initial pages of this thread.

 

[Durzel]

For what it’s worth I’ve had no response to my LBA letter, sent 13/12/2023, which was addressed to the latest Manchester address on Companies House.

Don’t know for sure if I’ve still got the tracking number (was sent Recorded) but even accounting for Christmas I expected a response at least asking for more time by now.

 

[speedyranger74]

I received, by email, the response from "Tesla":

"Dear Cristian
xxxxxxxx ("Your Claim")
We act for the Defendant in the above Claim.

We acknowledge receipt of the Particulars of Claim and confirm that our client's Defence will be served on or before 22 January 2024.

Yours sincerely

Taylor Wessing LLP"

 

[Hot shot]

I am in the same boat bought the M3LR in 2019 with FSD and a great car but 4 years on and no FSD that is meaninful. I know its a UK euro thing but its money spent with Tesla in good faith with no delivery.
My car is great except the fsd and now I'm wanting a new car ... it will be a tesla but no fsd

 

[Pagemakers]

I am in the same boat bought the M3LR in 2019 with FSD and a great car but 4 years on and no FSD that is meaninful. I know its a UK euro thing but its money spent with Tesla in good faith with no delivery.
My car is great except the fsd and now I'm wanting a new car ... it will be a tesla but no fsd

I’m in exactly the same boat.

 

[Battpower]

For what it’s worth I’ve had no response to my LBA letter, sent 13/12/2023, which was addressed to the latest Manchester address on Companies House.

Don’t know for sure if I’ve still got the tracking number (was sent Recorded) but even accounting for Christmas I expected a response at least asking for more time by now.

My first 'Signed For' / recorded delivery was never acknowledged. I sent copy special delivery to Manchester and it prompted a response.

 

[Durzel]

My first 'Signed For' / recorded delivery was never acknowledged. I sent copy special delivery to Manchester and it prompted a response.

Thanks. That's what I ended up doing, again to Manchester. The rationale for not using London for me was that Manchester is now Tesla's official address on Companies House, so that would logically be where any legal correspondance would be sent.

 

[Billbrown1982]

Thanks. That's what I ended up doing, again to Manchester. The rationale for not using London for me was that Manchester is now Tesla's official address on Companies House, so that would logically be where any legal correspondance would be sent.

That's where you went wrong, trying to use Logic on Tesla

 

[Pagemakers]

Has anybody else who’s pursued this course of action got any positive updates?