Yes, but Tim got is battery pack replaced at 11k miles. I wonder if the 90kW charging limit is the pack? The wiring is capable to deliver 320kW so there should be no problem to accept 120kW of charging power. Could it be micro controllers and/or sensors here? And they are not part of a firmware update (even more speculation)?
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mnx
2018 M3P
I can confirm, with pics, that my 60 can charge above 90kW from Centralia to Folsom. I have VIN3737. I'll post pics by Sunday as we are in route.
Thanks Vger. I haven't heard back since I last emailed Tesla (Tuesday, I think), but if Tesla has some plan for a general communication I'll wait a while before pushing. I'm not sure what I can expect personally, if anything, if the limit is in the super expensive battery pack itself.
But hopefully my voice was just one of multiple helping convince Tesla that supercharging support an important piece of data to communicate and make publicly accessible for each VIN.
Good! I like the fact that "a big plan is in the works" and appreciate you contacting Tesla.
I'm doubtful that the entire pack would need replacing. Most likely some micro-controllers or DC bypass contactors that should be retrofittable.
So it seems a 60 kWh battery > Sig 85 kWh battery in this regard. Nice work, Tesla.
My car's way earlier than yours. I wonder if they will ever contact me about that -- it might be a "P85" thing.
The trouble is that it's more than a little random who gets contacted about specific components.
Bound466
Member
I just got my main battery replaced (not on purpose, I promise). Car will be returned tomorrow.
So with the possibility that the 60's can charge above 90kW (thanks Discoducky), looks like I should be able to partake in the action. Nice silver lining to the battery replacement situation.
So with the possibility that the 60's can charge above 90kW (thanks Discoducky), looks like I should be able to partake in the action. Nice silver lining to the battery replacement situation.
Can you confirm Woodburn if you stop there as well, I am pretty sure it's 120.
As an owner with a low VIN my thought is that Supercharging was billed as A thing (e.g. "85kWh cars are supercharge enabled") not something with various levels. When I bought the car I knew it didn't have back-up sensors or power mirrors; I thought it was Supercharging enabled, not Supercharging-lite enabled. After all, the window sticker just says that Supercharging is INCLUDED and is silent about charge rate.
I get that Tesla will add new features as they go and as a Model X reservation holder I'm exited to see what they add next. Supercharging, however, was billed, IMHO, as a concrete thing not something with levels to be determined later.
Anywho, I've been feeling uneasy about this whole thing and I guess this is why. As we all get used to EVs things like this will be better understood but for now Tesla will have to deal with the (potentially unfair) expectations of customers. Gasoline flow rate isn't a concern with ICEs but DC charge rate is for EVs and, until very recently, I thought my car was capable of full Supercharging when it probably isn't. I'll adjust and get over it but I've learned something.
I get that Tesla will add new features as they go and as a Model X reservation holder I'm exited to see what they add next. Supercharging, however, was billed, IMHO, as a concrete thing not something with levels to be determined later.
Anywho, I've been feeling uneasy about this whole thing and I guess this is why. As we all get used to EVs things like this will be better understood but for now Tesla will have to deal with the (potentially unfair) expectations of customers. Gasoline flow rate isn't a concern with ICEs but DC charge rate is for EVs and, until very recently, I thought my car was capable of full Supercharging when it probably isn't. I'll adjust and get over it but I've learned something.
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Fedderman
Original: 2012 Model S (85); Current: 2024 Model S
This is exactly how I feel. No sense of entitlement for new features, or for upgrades that aren't categorized as "fixes". I was surprised by my 90 kW charging limit on 120 kW chargers since there was no word from Tesla on this - we had all assumed all cars were equal in this regard.
Older Tesla's limited to 90kwh super charging
As a stockholder and a big fan of Tesla, what I'm most concerned by here is the fact that signature owners, those that supported the company early on with a significant deposit, seem to end up holding the short end of the stick more frequently than the general population. It's items like this that made me cancel my sig X reservation in favor of a general production. If it turns out that all sigs are impacted (assuming original battery) and a few number of production cars, I would recommend Tesla swap out the packs of all impacted cars. Maintaining the brand value of signature is important moving forward.
The old packs can be used at the super chargers to store energy from solar and to remove the demand-charges from the utilities. Or maybe retrofitted and used elsewhere.
As a stockholder and a big fan of Tesla, what I'm most concerned by here is the fact that signature owners, those that supported the company early on with a significant deposit, seem to end up holding the short end of the stick more frequently than the general population. It's items like this that made me cancel my sig X reservation in favor of a general production. If it turns out that all sigs are impacted (assuming original battery) and a few number of production cars, I would recommend Tesla swap out the packs of all impacted cars. Maintaining the brand value of signature is important moving forward.
The old packs can be used at the super chargers to store energy from solar and to remove the demand-charges from the utilities. Or maybe retrofitted and used elsewhere.
So it seems a 60 kWh battery > Sig 85 kWh battery in this regard. Nice work, Tesla.
I'd bet TM fixes it
All the superchargers I visited are now 120kW. Centralia to Hawthorne on I-5
Confirmed.
Sure hope so. Looking forward to the "big plan" announcement. Nice to see another confirmation that 60s can charge above 90 kw (admittedly, I'm jealous of you guys).
Lyon
I have VIN# 2449 and have been able to charge at close to 120Kw at Darien South CT. My rated miles left weren't low enough to get the full 120Kw but I came close and sure I would have gotten it fully if my rated miles were less than 50.
Aaron
That's great news Aaron! What's you vin again? There seems to be a discrepancy between your post and your signature. In any event, I still feel the same way about this; anyone who ended up with Supercharging-lite because they were too eager to buy Model S has, IMHO, a justifiable beef.
I will not be surprised when Tesla announces that they're going to fix the issue though. So far they have been extraordinarily responsive to issues like this.
It's not free, it cost $2000. Either explicitly in the 60kwh or baked into the price in the 85kwh.
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