Have we heard anything atall back from Tesla in regards to this topic are they still dead silent???
I dunno. When I think about how often I'll use superchargers (when I have my X), vs. how much time I spend on this forum (not just this thread) ... the 15 minutes doesn't look so bad.
Just think of it as 15 minutes to surf the forum that you'd be spending on TMC anyway.
'always a silver lining'
Then you're not looking hard enough. People were complaining about the 60s at superchargers before 120 kW charging even arrived.Tesla also never said 60's wouldn't get the full 90kW before that I've ever seen, nor that we wouldn't get the full 120kW now, but I don't see anybody complaining about it.
Then you're not looking hard enough. People were complaining about the 60s at superchargers before 120 kW charging even arrived.
Really? I've always been under the impression that my car would charge at a rate proportions to 85kW packs. And I'm thrilled to be able to charge at 105kW, which exceeds what I expected when 120kW was announced. I don't remember seeing much in the way of complaining regarding supercharger rates for 60s.
I probably would be at least somewhat upset my car didn't get any boost when 85s got 120kW, though.
It's not really a negative in this sense, is it? That would imply it actually got worse. It's simply stayed the same. Yeah it sucks to not quite get the same speed as newer cars (or in the rarer case, some cars that are older than yours), but it's really not as big a deal as many are making it I think.
You REPLACED your battery? why?
I sent the following email to Jerome late last night. I'm hoping it gets a response.
I wanted to alert you to a group of Tesla customers who are currently very dissatisfied with Tesla’s communications. The issue, which I am sure you are aware of, is the inability of approximately 2500 early Model S VINs to utilize 120kw Supercharging. The crux of the issue is as follows:
1) When 120kw Supercharging was announced, there was no statement from Tesla that a subset of the Model S customers would only be able to charge at 90kw. It was described as a Supercharger hardware and Model S firmware upgrade, and all customers assumed they would get 120kw Supercharging since Tesla did not state anything to the contrary.
2) There has been no official communication from Tesla that there are in fact 2 (or possibly 3) versions of the 85kwh battery, and that owners who possess one version of the battery will be limited to 90kw Supercharging while others will enjoy 120kw Supercharging. Furthermore, Tesla has not told owners how to determine which version of the battery powers their Model S.
In the absence of an official statement from Tesla, owners who have discovered they are limited to 90kw Supercharging have tried various avenues to get an answer from Tesla as to why this is and how it will or will not be remedied. A couple who have contacted you have publicly posted your reply to them. As a measure of the energy around this issue, in the 25 days since the thread was first started on TMC, there have been over 700 posts. Many owners are now posting photos of the battery labels from the wheel well in an attempt to discern what the algorithm if for determining if they have a 90kw or 120kw capable battery.
I am writing to you to suggest that as soon as the quarter is over that Tesla work to quiet this unrest, because it is not going to go away. Previous concerns about the lack of P+ suspension or parking sensors being available for early VINs were addressed by Tesla by either stating that no upgrade would be available (parking sensors) or attaching a price to the upgrade (P+ suspension). I believe Tesla needs to make an official communication to the owners of the affected cars that indeed they cannot Supercharge at 120kw as previously advertised and offer whatever remedy Tesla deems to be appropriate (none, discounted battery upgrade, etc.). In the absence of an official communication owners will continue to speculate/vent/criticize and that is not good for Tesla and its desire to have satisfied customers.
The one lingering question for me is does the data on comparative charging rates collected by owners here support Jerome's statement that "for a customer charging from 20% to 90% ... the difference in charging time between an early car and a current car is less than 4 minutes"? If so, it is hard to argue with their position.
In particular, as you can imagine, battery technology continues to evolve and it is fair to assume that improvements are implemented every week in battery technology.
I thought I'd post my battery sticker, since it's a little interesting.
May car is July 2013. I had my battery replaced in November 2013.
I don't have my old battery sticker, but this one is obviously a refirb. It has a new style small sticker, but you can see there was an old style sticker removed and replaced. Battery date appears to be May 2013, which is older than my car. I get great performance out of this battery. 120kw charging, and no real degradation in range.
No, Jerome. Your CEO is on record stating that battery tech isn't likely to improve for years until Gen 3 is out.