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Ontario EV Rebates Cancelled July 11, 2018

Darthbenji

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Mar 27, 2018
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Ontario
For the charger rebate, my certificate and inspection was included in the installers invoice. D1 is cost of installation. I put the full invoice amount there. D2 is cost of inspection. Do I put that at 0 since I have no idea what the breakdown is?

D5 seems to require 50% of the amount already lowered in the previous boxes?? The guide reads differently than the form requests too.
Also did you guys just call it the HPWC 24’?
 
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Rchan88

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Apr 17, 2018
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Mississauga, Ontario Canada
For the charger rebate, my certificate and inspection was included in the installers invoice. D1 is cost of installation. I put the full invoice amount there. D2 is cost of inspection. Do I put that at 0 since I have no idea what the breakdown is?
Also did you guys just call it the HPWC 24’?
I am in the same situation as well. I did call EV incentive office which I mentioned since my total cost of installation is above $1000 including the inspection fee all in one invoice. that I claimed the max. which is $500. She said it is OK with that. Mind you that I still put $200 on the application for the inspection .
 

Tomayr

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May 20, 2018
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Ayr, On
Well, I have to admit to being somewhat shocked by this. I certainly would not have bought my Model S without the (at the time) $8,500 rebate. But I suppose the proof will be in the S and X sales pre and post rebate.

If you can afford a $100k car, you can most certainly afford a $108.5k car. If the rebate made a impact on your purchase, it was most likely from the value for money standpoint, and getting a rebate on a car is like free money, and who doesn't like free money? But I really doubt you took out a loan on the $8500 just so you can afford the car like some people are doing with the model 3's
 

mknox

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Aug 7, 2012
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Toronto, ON
If you can afford a $100k car, you can most certainly afford a $108.5k car.

I ordered my Model S about a year prior to production and paid around $85k. This was a huge decision for me as the absolute most I'd ever spent on a car prior was about $60k. I had at the time a long commute (100+ miles per day) and fuel costs were a consideration, so I looked at TCO and what it would cost me a month. I calculated my fuels costs (gasoline vs. electricity), insurance and financing and my "go/no-go" math only worked out when the rebate was factored in. I suppose without the rebate I could have got a 40 kWh or maybe a 60 kWh version of the car, but figured it wouldn't suit my needs especially as Superchargers hadn't been invented at that time. The other car I was considering was a Volt and had my eye on the at the time unreleased Cadillac ELR. I was disappointed that the ELR came out as just an expensive Volt.

So it wasn't whether I could afford the cost of the car, it was whether or not I could afford what it would cost me a month to own.
 
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Dr. J

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Aug 23, 2017
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As the true (after rebate) cost rises, purchasers on the margin will be deterred from the purchase. Not all buyers have the same situation, resources, needs, desires, etc.
 

felixculpas

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Jun 11, 2018
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Ontario, Canada
I believe the underlying spirit of the rebate program has been genuine and has very little to do with providing "free money". It's an incentive justified by the win-win scenario provided by it's use. It's not a rebate on a car, it's a rebate on vehicles that are reducing CO2 and ideally until such time as their costs (perhaps on a sliding downward scale) are more in alignment with ICE vehicles. If the rebate for an S or X was still available, I'd be trying to squeeze into one but not without great sacrifice in other areas of my budget. Hard to manage your purchase decisions when Gov't policies are in a constant state of flux.

There are a lot of variables at play but to address the OP, I would also be worried. I've read that you aren't in the rebate queue till your vehicle is plated? It makes no sense to me that you could be subject to any worries with rebates. It's a Gov't program, not a casino game. I understand it's not a simple matter but more needs to be done to protect those who are supporting the program that was created.

If I were to guess, I'd think you'd be good till end of July, perhaps August but I fully expect the Ontario EVIP program to end under Ford which forces the cancellation of my reservation where I'll continue to spew out toxins from my SUV during my 130km per day commute.
 

adaptabl

Banned
Mar 13, 2018
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Canada
There already massive incentives in that EV's are not paying road taxes yet. Once the number increases that will have to change. Maybe large licence fees or electricity surcharges for EV owners.
 

phigment

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Aug 31, 2015
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Waterloo, Ontario
There already massive incentives in that EV's are not paying road taxes yet. Once the number increases that will have to change. Maybe large licence fees or electricity surcharges for EV owners.
(In Ontario) We're already taking the burden off the electric grid by consuming excess energy at night. Now the elec company makes money by selling to us instead of paying neighbouring states/provinces to take excess.

Road fees should be paid upon plate renewal. They already get the odometer reading and have the vehicle mass.
 
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wileecoyote

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Nov 9, 2017
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Toronto
Got the car today and submitted the application tonight. Got my confirmation email. If he tries a to cancel already submitted apps I agree with the previous poster. Class action.
Was the confirmation email immediate (auto-respond) or was it someone reading your email and sending a response? I sent in my application on Saturday but haven't gotten a response yet..
 

mknox

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Aug 7, 2012
10,103
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Toronto, ON
I'm still thinking the best to come of this would be forcing the Federal goventment to come up with a country wide incentrive.

Yes. That makes the most sense. Even automakers are saying that having to deal with a patchwork of state and provincial programs is a logistical nightmare for them. A unified program across the country makes a lot of sense.

(In Ontario) We're already taking the burden off the electric grid by consuming excess energy at night. Now the elec company makes money by selling to us instead of paying neighbouring states/provinces to take excess.

Electricity is never, ever "sold at a loss" as is so often spouted by the media. It is sold on a spot market for exactly how much it is worth at that time. No more, no less. Electricity can't be stored like conventional commodities and must be utilized the instant it is produced. It's simple supply and demand economics.

And surplus supply does not always occur overnight (although mostly). Our TOU rates are more political than technical. Some of the highest consumption periods are between 7 and 9 PM weekdays, but for political reasons, it was decided that peak periods should end at 7:00 PM.

But... EVs could conceivably lower electricity transmission and distribution rates for all customers. How? By selling additional commodity through existing infrastructure. When you sell more product at the same cost, the per unit cost drops.

Road fees should be paid upon plate renewal. They already get the odometer reading and have the vehicle mass.

Agree. With gas, diesel, natural gas, electric, hydrogen etc. a mileage based fee is the only logical path.
 
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Rchan88

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Apr 17, 2018
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Was the confirmation email immediate (auto-respond) or was it someone reading your email and sending a response? I sent in my application on Saturday but haven't gotten a response yet..
You supposed to get the automatic reply after your application is send. However, it did not happen to me either. In the end, I made a call to Electric Vehicle Incentive Program (1-866-668-8297) that I explained to her that I need a written confirmation that my applications were received successfully. I have to push a bit in order to get her to issue a internal report with that I got a call from their staff that he confirmed my applications was received.
I also asked for a written confirmation that I received the next day. To me a written confirmation is needed because according to web info that applications must be submitted within the first 90 days after the purchase.
Without the written confirmation there will be no proof that the application is submitted within the required window.
 

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