I've had LR RWD model 3 for a year and for 12K miles, it takes .259 Kw average per mile and I've had a pretty heavy foot for it. Only had my performance M3 for a month so 360 miles of data pretty small but its .414 Kw average. Granted its only been used in cold season but I was surprised by this number.
Yea me too same scenario. Can't compare because basically was a Summer car and P3 is on longer winter (for LA standards) car. I will take 260 miles range anytime on winter, NOT 200 miles which is what I am getting no matter how I drive, I am waiting to get warmer and have more data on that, pretty sure my battery is flawed even they say is not.
I believe the EPA rating they base the 310 on was for the old Performance model without the PUP. Now that they don’t sell it without the PUP, they should update with a new rating. It will most likely be much closer to the MR model, probably 265 or 270. Wheels and tires make a substantial difference.
Yes, they should and that's my point here. I am NOT asking or EXPECT 310 miles, but at least 250 miles, and NOT 180-200 miles which is what I am getting, AC/heater off most of times to take out of equation. Driving LA speed 70-80mph.
Today. 33 degrees. Round trip (550 vertical feet change - down on the way and up on the way back). 85 miles. 2/3 highway, 1/3 city. Very limited heat. 252 Wh/mi. M3P. 20” wheels, Michelin A/S 3+.
310 completely achievable.
You got a good unit, I got a bad unit with 180-200 miles range, never drove more than that range, tried turning off heater, driving slower at 70mph (for LA standards) and no help. Only 1 time I hit 250kwh/mi but then I was going downhill most of time apparently.
No I'm quite certain performance was never tested as the EPA doesn't require it for model variations that account for less than 35% of total volume. EPA allows the rating on the car tested to be applied to the untested model variations. Car manufacturers don't give the government any more information than they need to.
Two important factors for about EPA range.....
1. EPA tests are done on a dyno, indoors at ROOM Temperature
2. EPA range is a composite of 55% city and 45% highway. And although there is an acceleration component to the test with speed up to 80 mph, the highway portion reaches a max of only 60mph. There is also an air conditioning component to the test but I haven't seen any mention of a heater component.
Again my post here is not ASKING EPA 310 miles, for sure variation happens, I can take 250 miles range or Tesla Technician claimed for this car 250 wh/mi... But NOT 180-200 range.
Sorry in advance for the "rant-ish" post...
First of all, the M3P is a SPORTS CAR. Yes, I would strongly argue that it is the FINEST EVERYDAY DRIVING SPORTS CAR EVER DESIGNED, but make no mistake it is a SPORTS CAR. If you want a commuter the LR or MR are there for the asking.
And, despite the M3P being a Sports Car, it both CAN and DOES fairly easily get 310 miles on a charge. I am getting very close to that when it is 33 degrees out with an elevation change of 500 feet (in each direction) on my roundtrip commutes. I have done that on both the Michelin Pilot Sport 4S stock wheels / tires AND my current "winter" Michelin A/S 3+ tires (also on stock 20" wheels). As a matter of fact, the range difference between the two sets of tires is at most a couple of Wh/mile.
So much is not said here about driver responsibility in achieving range. When I drive the M3P like a true sports care enthusiast my Wh/mi can climb well into the 300's (350-375 Wh/mi). When I am commuting and using the car as transportation only (albeit awesome / fun transportation) that number is down between 235-260 Wh/mi -- well within the EPA's and Tesla's stated range.
Similarly, I used to own a 2007 Ferrari 430 with a stated combined EPA of 13mpg (11 city / 16 highway). Now that was NOT a commuter car / daily driver and accordingly I usually drove it like a sports car, and I NEVER came close to those numbers. The BEST combined MPG I ever got on a tank was 10 MPG (yes, you read that horrifying number correctly) and more often it was down around 9 MPG. But I drove the car hard. Can you imagine me (or anyone else) getting on a Ferrari Chat Board with a headline saying "Ferrari 430 not getting MPG Promised?"
Thanks for your input, yes it's a damn race car, and they should pay more attention on misleading range when folks are paying $80k for. car. Yes I wasn't expecting 310 miles, but at most 230-250 ... not 180-200 I am getting so far.
After driving my Model-3 for past few month, I can safely say that under common driving scenarios, we
never will ever get those fully advertised 310 miles ever.... period!
Even If you drive non-stop in a somewhat "controlled" (i.e not applying brakes, no sudden accelerations, no AC/Heating, not heated seats, no head winds... the list goes on) environment & within the EPA recommended speeds, still you will be short of a few miles to reach that 310 miles.
So, like me, relax at the thought that we still pay less than our gas "cousins" to fill up our Model-3 "tanks" and enjoy the car..
Regards!!
Repeating my responses, I am not asking 310 miles, I am saying the advertised range is misleading folks even if that's EPA loophole or they tested with 10" kart wheels. I can accept 250 miles range on a 310 advertised, I can't accept 180-200 miles range I am getting.
Trying to enjoy here, but 180-200 range (no heater or AC) it's though to accept in LA weather, even if is the "worst" winter in the last 10 years. Sometimes yea I just don't care, other times I think I am being ripped off $80k when I should have paid $60k for the 200miles range, maybe I got the unique cheaper Performance model and Folks at Tesla HQ are just laughing. I will give then the benefit of doubt and wait until summer as someone posted achieving 285 wh/mi and 260 range... that's my only option for now before I press them on the wall.