Performance Upgrade Price Change!

[Roys3]

I not seeing where they are treating the non-PUP as non-performance? That is something people ventured down in this thread calling them AWD+. They discontinued a config and discounted the other config (P3D+), but they never said P3D Stealth was not a P? Only said it would not get a rebate, which is in my opinion not right if they are giving the + a discount. But they are saying they are discounting a specific config, not they don't believe Stealth is a real P? And there is some logic their as the + cars did have bigger margins, but of course no where near $5k more.

Disclosure - P3D+ owner here keeping the FUSC and turning down $5k rebate.

It "feels" like the P3D- is now obsolete. It's off the menu. - And the price I paid for mine was actually slightly MORE than the current full Performance Model offered. We have yet to see how well it gets "supported" going forward (no track mode yet). Definitely feel gypped as of now.

Since you're an early P3D+ owner I can see why you're sort-of half-satisfied now. The early P3D- guys (like me) are still pissed though!

 

[caskater47]

Then why did you not buy the PUP? If you intend to go aftermarket, then it's easier to do that with P3D-. P3D- will eventually get Track Mode, I have faith. Elon confirmed again yesterday when specifically asked about P3 owners without PUP.

Also, you're kidding yourself if you think a P3 is a "track car". They did not "sell you a track car".

I opted out of PUP because at t the time I ordered it was described as a pure cosmetic package. There was no indication that there were diff brakes, suspension, rotors and especially no indication that it would be required for Track Mode. Otherwise I would have paid for it. You don't need 20" wheels to track a car, nor do you need a spoiler or aluminum pedals but you do need the rest. They failed to represent what PUP offered and when I aksed my delivery specialists they confirmed it was cosmetic only. I made the best decision I could given the information I had. They simply lied.

 

[Camera-Cruiser]

The main fact is this. Because they did spend time on this and because Elon Musk did tweet out about the refund, this has caused financial harm to many people. People took delivery of P3D- cars AFTER free PUP was announced because of Elon Musk's tweet about getting a refund or free lifetime supercharging. No one in their right mind would take delivery otherwise. You could cal lit the ultimate bait and switch, he did a good job of getting those last P3D- cars delivered without having to either lower the price or downgrade them to AWD models.

I delayed my delivery 3 weeks at Costa Mesa. I was supposed to take delivery the day after Elon’s tweet. I called my DA and asked them to make the adjustment, but since my paperwork had already been done at old price, they just wanted me to pay and wait for a refund. Nope. I’m glad I waited.

 

[Roys3]

You referring to the upgrades that some people now get for free, while the rest of us are told to "enjoy the car."

I have been a huge tesla fan, and my model S was a great experience. Best car ever.

The model 3 experience has been dismal, and if P3D- buyers really don't even get some kind of credit towards the upgrades, or at least the f'n stick on spoiler, Tesla really can go f itself.

Ha! That would be the ultimate insult to injury - give us P3D- owners an "f'n stick-on spoiler" and say again "enjoy your car"! There are some in this thread that would actually enjoy that.

Anyway, at this point nothing would surprise me - Hey I get a $500 spoiler for a $5000 rip off! (Just trying to keep things light..)

 

[happyzod]

I find it silly that P3D- owners expect a $5k refund. In that case now AWD would complain if they could have gotten a P for just $5k more.

It is not silly. There is a big difference here in your scenario. If took delivery of P3D- AFTER the free PUP was announced because you were expecting a $5K refund (based on Elon Musk's tweets) you got totally shafted. AWD buyers could not have cancelled their delivery, re-ordered the car, and gotten upgraded options.

 

[juanmedina]

I find it silly that P3D- owners expect a $5k refund. In that case now AWD would complain if they could have gotten a P for just $5k more.

An offer to upgrade to PUP sure, but unless you truly intend on tracking the car it is a major efficiency hit for daily driving - not to mention more pain to change the wheels out because of the brake geometry.

right now we are getting nothing. Sure I take PUP and even EAP.

 

[Roys3]

I have not heard of any P3D- owners getting 5K refunds, free supercharging, or offer of an upgrade to Performance. No mention of track mode either. The response from customer service has been a solid sorry nothing they can do. This has been a total bait and switch by Elon Musk meant to trick P3D- owners into taking delivery after the PUP upgrade became free. That's my perspective at least, otherwise why would P3D- owners take delivery at all?

I won't be surprised in the future if HW3 upgrades are handled the same way for people who bought FSD. Again color me a sucker for paying for FSD.

Yeah, based on current Tesla behavior I'd be worried about getting gypped if I'd ordered FSD. My "suggestion to make good" for my P3D- loss was to opt me in to FSD. I can see how you would have a problem with that if you're a P3D- owner with FSD.

If they go that route (I doubt they will) then you ought to get free FSD too! If I were them I'd be happy to send you a full refund with interest on that option.

 

[tomas]

Tesla is guilty of being a DICK. Volkswagon is guilty of CRIMINAL CHARGES that include jail time.

VW didn't buy back at fault vehicles from the kindness of their hearts. It was part of a negotiated settlement to remove the vehicles from circulation either from buyback or repair.

I had an open mind as I didn't know much about it. Now given the truth, are you willing to change your position?

Volkswagen emissions scandal - Wikipedia

Volkswagen's deception was NEXT LEVEL while Elon is trying to accelerate sustainable transport. The two is not comparable.

How Volkswagen’s ‘Defeat Devices’ Worked

What do YOU think is reasonable for Tesla to do?

Bearing in mind the following:

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@Nate977p - Elon already admitted he did "too much, too fast". At the end of the day, Tesla has to run their business how they see fit. They have MASSIVE debt payments they have to make. We see their quarterly results and we see how they price things on the website. We see nothing in between.

We are going to have to generally assume, they are a rational actor making rational decisions. If you read the whole thread, no one disagrees that Tesla messed up here. In fact, they could have made MORE per P model. Force PUP.. raise price by 2K. Yeah its going to upset people, but not 67 pages worth. They get 2K more per car, the mob doesn't get enough momentum to push Elon off twitter for a few days.

Tesla again, owes nothing to no one. They are offering a CASH credit in exchange for FUSC to those who bought PUP. And offering free supercharging to any P- buyers that didn't qualify otherwise.

What makes sense on a -macro- level.. not on a per consumer micro model?

@MXWing, do you have a 3P of any variety?

 

[Glamisduner]

To my knowledge, free supercharging is still on the table?

I stand corrected. 5,000 credit on something you never paid for seems a bit excessive.

I'd take FSD upgrade as compensation. Essentially change a bit in the database for me and add the new computer next year and I'm happy. "Thanks for being an early adopter", we will give other people 5k cash refunds, while my car is back in service isn't really putting a smile on my face.

 

[electrictorque]

I'd take FSD upgrade as compensation. Essentially change a bit in the database for me and add the new computer next year and I'm happy. "Thanks for being an early adopter", we will give other people 5k cash refunds, while my car is back in service isn't really putting a smile on my face.

FSD upgrade as compensation would also make me a happy customer.

 

[Roys3]

I'd take FSD upgrade as compensation. Essentially change a bit in the database for me and add the new computer next year and I'm happy. "Thanks for being an early adopter", we will give other people 5k cash refunds, while my car is back in service isn't really putting a smile on my face.

Me too. I feel the same way. FSD would be the least expensive reparation they could offer.
It's a start Tesla - offer it! Don't TELL everyone it's your only offer though. Give other options too. You screwed up!

 

[tomas]

Hmmm. I had been negative on option of FSD as compensation, but would have to consider that. Tough decision: unlimited supercharging which I can actually use -- but in my case probably only amounts to $1,000 value over life of car.... or FSD which I cannot use today, and is really a pig in the poke in terms of when it might be available, and what it will do when it is. Door number 1, or door number 2?

I think the best and easiest thing for Tesla to do is simply provide a credit. People could use that to buy FSD, supercharging, service visits, upgrades... or their next Tesla. To me, that is best for the customer AND for Tesla because it is not cash out of pocket. People who value FSD can spend it on that. People who value upgraded components can spend it on that. I guess they've already gone down the path of promising refund checks to some... but credits would have made way more sense in my mind. Maybe even different amounts for PUP vs. no PUP. My honest answer.

 

[MXWing]

@MXWing, do you have a 3P of any variety?

3P+
Black paint
White seats

Same config is 5500 cheaper today though with no FUSC.

My background is Economics so I am very cognizant at looking at the macro picture and not just my individual household.

As a household I took the maximum loss possible. Same config 60 days later is over $6000 cheaper when you account for outsized tax and registration fees.

I can recoup 5000 of that at an expense, give up something that was previously sold to me as part of a package. Pretty crappy.

Macro wise, there is no way for Tesla to run their business that can please everyone all the time.
That is why we sign MVPA. We got what we paid for.

A 3P- is a AWD car that has a 0-60 of 3.5

A 3P+ is an AWD car that has a 0-60 of 3.5, higher top speed, performance suspension, BBK, and some cosmetic enhancements.

Looking at the game theory, which Model 3 package that EVERYONE had equal opportunity to buy would ensure you 100% of all bells and whistles applicable to the highest end Model 3s. 3P+

3P-?? You take your chances. You didn’t pay for the VIP package yet expect the same VIP perks.

It’s irrelevant if you planned on aftermarket changes of your P3-. How can Tesla possibly account for that?

Tesla could have avoided all controversy entirely by just doing two things:
1.) Mention future unspecified upgrades exclusive to PUP package vehicles.
2.) Force bundle PUP and raise the whole price by $2500. Tesla makes $2500 more per car and any griping is too small to get this momentum.

Tesla made tons of mistakes in pricing, strategy, and messaging. Any unlisted features, they can offer to any trim at any time.

You got what you paid for. Tesla owes us nothing and can offer any deal to anyone as they see fit.

No one has any options other than

1.) Wait for the official terms, policies, conditions.
2.) Hope Tesla can be generous.

If I had one request that would make everyone happy is to offer gratis to early adopters new software no one could have bought. LUDACRIS.

5000 charge to new buyers. Call it a day.

Or transferable car based FUSC. That would actually make the new buyers envious and no immediate impact to Tesla $ wise.

 

[caskater47]

3P+
Black paint
White seats

Same config is 5500 cheaper today though with no FUSC.

My background is Economics so I am very cognizant at looking at the macro picture and not just my individual household.

As a household I took the maximum loss possible. Same config 60 days later is over $6000 cheaper when you account for outsized tax and registration fees.

I can recoup 5000 of that at an expense, give up something that was previously sold to me as part of a package. Pretty crappy.

Macro wise, there is no way for Tesla to run their business that can please everyone all the time.
That is why we sign MVPA. We got what we paid for.

A 3P- is a AWD car that has a 0-60 of 3.5

A 3P+ is an AWD car that has a 0-60 of 3.5, higher top speed, performance suspension, BBK, and some cosmetic enhancements.

Looking at the game theory, which Model 3 package that EVERYONE had equal opportunity to buy would ensure you 100% of all bells and whistles applicable to the highest end Model 3s. 3P+

3P-?? You take your chances. You didn’t pay for the VIP package yet expect the same VIP perks.

It’s irrelevant if you planned on aftermarket changes of your P3-. How can Tesla possibly account for that?

Tesla could have avoided all controversy entirely by just doing two things:
1.) Mention future unspecified upgrades exclusive to PUP package vehicles.
2.) Force bundle PUP and raise the whole price by $2500. Tesla makes $2500 more per car and any griping is too small to get this momentum.

Tesla made tons of mistakes in pricing, strategy, and messaging. Any unlisted features, they can offer to any trim at any time.

You got what you paid for. Tesla owes us nothing and can offer any deal to anyone as they see fit.

No one has any options other than

1.) Wait for the official terms, policies, conditions.
2.) Hope Tesla can be generous.

If I had one request that would make everyone happy is to offer gratis to early adopters new software no one could have bought. LUDACRIS.

5000 charge to new buyers. Call it a day.

While your logic is sound and possibly agreeable youre still neglecting the simple fact that Tesla advertised Track Mode as a Performance model feature, not PUP exclusive, from the beginning. It wasn't until cars were being delivered did they state it was PUP only. P3D owners aren't unreasonably demanding VIP perks. We are demanding features that were sold as part of the car when we made the order. We did not get what we paid for. We got substantially less and as each day goes by we get further away from what we paid good money for.

Your whole argument also seems to insinuate that anyone whom isn't a super fan that follows every move they've made in the last ten years is too stupid to know any better and therefore deserving of being taken advantage of. Unlike Tesla, other car manufacturers stand behind their products. If you buy a particular level of car you get continued support for that car for it's lifetime. Never would BMW advertise a Track Mode for its M series cars and then tell customers "sorry you should have bought the bigger wheels option if you expect to get all M series features"

 

[Feathermerchan]

I opted out of PUP because at t the time I ordered it was described as a pure cosmetic package. There was no indication that there were diff brakes, suspension, rotors and especially no indication that it would be required for Track Mode. Otherwise I would have paid for it. You don't need 20" wheels to track a car, nor do you need a spoiler or aluminum pedals but you do need the rest. They failed to represent what PUP offered and when I aksed my delivery specialists they confirmed it was cosmetic only. I made the best decision I could given the information I had. They simply lied.

So when I was considering the Model 3 purchase, I heard about the 'Track Mode' and because there were two performance levels, I wondered if the Track Mode was going to be available for one or both. I did more research and at first rumors were that the $5k plus package were pedal covers, spoiler, and 20" wheels with great tires. The spoiler and pedals I did not care about. The wheels are a negative because they slow the car down. The tires are GREAT. So I was on the fence because I had not heard if Track Mode would be for both performance packages. Then I read about the brakes. Well, I have installed large (aftermarket) brakes on another car so I had done some research and they cost me $5k just for the parts. So I decided to buy the Upgrade Package because it was worth it just for the brakes and it would certainly get the Track Mode. I'm glad I waited until I knew for sure what was in the package.
I ordered on Sept 15.

 

[caskater47]

I ordered on Sept 15.

I ordered mine on July 11. There just wasn't the same level of information at that point.

 

[whatthe2]

I’m still happy with my P3D-/AWD+ whatever people want to call it. I got what I paid for. If Tesla wants to compensate with a refund or FSD, I will take it. If not, I’m still happy with my car and will continue on.

 

[Nate977p]

I think skipping track mode for the P3D- yesterday is making people feel like it’s a non-performance variant. I’m super curious if they will follow through with an aftermarket PUP upgrade and curious how much it will cost.

They may need more time to calibrate for different brakes? Just weird if they confirmed it already and to reneg on that. If track mode is not included, then I understand the feelings. The other dimension here is the fact they we're not at all clear what PUP came with at first. I went back and fourth a ton due to not knowing on the brakes... Clearly they knew what it came with so why all the obfuscation?

 

[Nate977p]

It "feels" like the P3D- is now obsolete. It's off the menu. - And the price I paid for mine was actually slightly MORE than the current full Performance Model offered. We have yet to see how well it gets "supported" going forward (no track mode yet). Definitely feel gypped as of now.

Since you're an early P3D+ owner I can see why you're sort-of half-satisfied now. The early P3D- guys (like me) are still pissed though!

Don't get me wrong, I am frustrated, and it is BS they didn't give Stealth anything. I don't think they are required to give anything, but this is a huge blow for customer loyalty. Again to my point, they need to somewhat normalize sales cycles so consumers know what is to generally be expected and not caught flat footed like this. If they dropped it the 3750 tax credit and said it's a toss up if you get it this year, they would have been praised. Some people may have got their cars before year end and made out, but overall would have had same effect and would have been positive.

 

[robski]

Is it negligent for Tesla to offer Track Mode with 18" Aero's? Asking for a friend. Thanks.