Same versionOddly, with 2021.44.30.7 I am seeing less phantom braking (at least with Autosteer). On a street near my house there are some small rises that used to cause the car to slow down. Since the last update those slowdowns have stopped.
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Same versionOddly, with 2021.44.30.7 I am seeing less phantom braking (at least with Autosteer). On a street near my house there are some small rises that used to cause the car to slow down. Since the last update those slowdowns have stopped.
Google is your friend.For everything else, people post Tesla videos. Why not for this one?
According to the article, LiDAR fixes the issue…There's no "fix" for the problem though.
It's why every brand has the problem
Every time someone has posted "Well I owned brand X and IT never did phantom braking" it took all of 30 seconds for me to find people complaining of phantom braking on the very brand they insist doesn't do it.
Each company can mitigate the issue to various degrees, but there's no reasonable way to "fix" it- it's inherent to the nature of these types of systems
And as pointed out to you, again with actual available data instead of "This one guy said" anecdotes, Teslas performance is better than many other brands, in this, and basically every other area of actual capability and performance for driver aids and safety.
Interesting, I would use AP only on the Interstate and not on a single-line traffic like this. Makes sense that the car brakes because of oncoming traffic from the other lane. Am I missing anything?
Its not just AP being shown, its also Tesla's version of adaptive cruise control. If its a 50-60mph roadway with minimal traffic, why not use cruise control? How does it make sense that the car would brake for oncoming traffic from the other lane ONLY when its a truck?Interesting, I would use AP only on the Interstate and not on a single-line traffic like this. Makes sense that the car brakes because of oncoming traffic from the other lane. Am I missing anything?
But to be honest, this isnt the Tesla way. Tesla is very different from car manufacturers who typically will prove a tech first, then roll it out to customers. Tesla literally wants you, the driver/customer, to pay for the "beta" technology(and it has been/will be beta for years and years. Most will sell their cars before it leaves beta) , and you the customer test it out on public highways for Tesla. They dont hide that fact.I have had a Toyota Prius rental car with adaptive cruise. I have used their version of TACC for several hundred miles in the same exact roads I drove my Tesla. How many phantom braking events have I had with it? Not a single one. Zero, zip, nada.
If a Prius can do it better than a Model Y, then maybe Tesla shouldn't have rolled out radar less cars until they had vision totally ready to roll.
The car hard braking while in cruise control (not AP) is a major issue. Why would the car brake for oncoming traffic in a different lane? That makes no sense and it doesn't happen for all oncoming traffic so it is completely random.Interesting, I would use AP only on the Interstate and not on a single-line traffic like this. Makes sense that the car brakes because of oncoming traffic from the other lane. Am I missing anything?
Even with the adaptive cruise control I have in my current ICE car, I never use it on a roadway, I use it only on the interstate. On roadways with oncoming traffic and passing through towns there is always the potential that you need to brake instantly so using cruise control there is dangerous to begin with IMO.Its not just AP being shown, its also Tesla's version of adaptive cruise control. If its a 50-60mph roadway with minimal traffic, why not use cruise control? How does it make sense that the car would brake for oncoming traffic from the other lane ONLY when its a truck?
That’s my thoughts, Prius has a great TACC system. It’s fantastic, and so is their self parking. For Vision, Tesla needs the data from thousands of events to make it work. They HAVE to roll it out in order to get it right, so they have the data to teach the systeml. So they do! Doesn’t mean they can’t put more focus on that aspect, phantom braking.I have had a Toyota Prius rental car with adaptive cruise. I have used their version of TACC for several hundred miles in the same exact roads I drove my Tesla. How many phantom braking events have I had with it? Not a single one. Zero, zip, nada.
If a Prius can do it better than a Model Y, then maybe Tesla shouldn't have rolled out radar less cars until they had vision totally ready to roll.
The biggest difference between the ICE vehicles and the current gen Teslas most experiencing the phantom braking is the sensing system. In the most recent gen Teslas the radar sensors were removed. Teslas are now relying on solely cameras to detect objects. The radars are significantly better and are proven technology. With time Tesla Vision should get better, but to completely write off the difference right now is asinine.Even with the adaptive cruise control I have in my current ICE car, I never use it on a roadway, I use it only on the interstate. On roadways with oncoming traffic and passing through towns there is always the potential that you need to brake instantly so using cruise control there is dangerous to begin with IMO.
Same version
I would use AP only on the Interstate and not on a single-line traffic like this. Makes sense that the car brakes because of oncoming traffic from the other lane. Am I missing anything?
While I agree that ALL brands have trouble and that anecdotal evidence is dangerous....there is one point worth noting, the anecdotal reports are really saying that, ‘on the roads that I drive on...only the Tesla has given me trouble ‘.....There's no "fix" for the problem though.
It's why every brand has the problem
Every time someone has posted "Well I owned brand X and IT never did phantom braking" it took all of 30 seconds for me to find people complaining of phantom braking on the very brand they insist doesn't do it.
Each company can mitigate the issue to various degrees, but there's no reasonable way to "fix" it- it's inherent to the nature of these types of systems
And as pointed out to you, again with actual available data instead of "This one guy said" anecdotes, Teslas performance is better than many other brands, in this, and basically every other area of actual capability and performance for driver aids and safety.
I made this mistake when my Model 3 was new.
An experienced user here pointed out to me that the manual states AP is only to be used on interstates and highways...where all the traffic is going in the same direction and there are no cross streets.
Using AP on a road with opposing traffic and cross streets is dangerous.
I think what is lacking is a simple no-frills cruise control. On all the vehicles I've driven that have adaptive cruise or traffic assist systems, they also have the good old fashioned maintain speed you set cruise control as an option as well. Is this not something offered by Tesla?I made this mistake when my Model 3 was new.
An experienced user here pointed out to me that the manual states AP is only to be used on interstates and highways...where all the traffic is going in the same direction and there are no cross streets.
Using AP on a road with opposing traffic and cross streets is dangerous.
Tesla Is Under NHTSA Scrutiny for 'Phantom Braking' Issues At High Speeds - Tesla (NASDAQ:TSLA)
Tesla Inc’s (NASDAQ: TSLA) electric cars are being reviewed by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) for "phantom braking" issues, Bloomberg Newswww.benzinga.com
While I agree that ALL brands have trouble and that anecdotal evidence is dangerous....there is one point worth noting, the anecdotal reports are really saying that, ‘on the roads that I drive on...only the Tesla has given me trouble ‘.....
I suppose one could turn off emergency braking, lane warnings, etc. Wouldn't that make it an old fashioned speed control?I think what is lacking is a simple no-frills cruise control. On all the vehicles I've driven that have adaptive cruise or traffic assist systems, they also have the good old fashioned maintain speed you set cruise control as an option as well. Is this not something offered by Tesla?