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Rifleman
Now owns 2 Model S's!!!
This explains it all. President Obama, like most politicians on both sides of the isle, is a statist. He thinks all power comes from the government, and that the government is the best way to fix any problem. If he were to talk about a private company doing incredible things, it would weaken his argument that the government is the best solution to all the nations problems. In his speach last night, President Obama outlined many serious problems facing our country. His solution to every single problem that he pointed out was "More Government". Why would anyone be surprised that instead of talking about a private company who already used their own capital to build a alternative fuel network, he talked about how the government should use taxpayer money to build a different type of alternative fuel network.
Sorry to get political on this, I know a lot of people here are huge fans of the President, but this is an indictment of the entire political system as much as it is an indictment of the President.
gg_got_a_tesla
Model S: VIN 65513, Model 3: VIN 1913
Color me disillusioned too, coming from the President's "side of the aisle". Well said, Rifleman.
Chickenlittle
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i agree but when a party takes a group for granted, it is an opportunity for the other party to make inroads. i do hope the republicans can find their way to further support networks of electric charges being placed by private companies rather than support an enormous program of ng stations on every corner. i hope people here can support them in that if they choose that route.
I concur with the arguments here... while I won't argue that NG overall is less carbon intensive than coal, replacing all the coal-fired generation across the world with NG-fired generation would delay severe global warming by what, a few years? A decade maybe? I haven't crunched the numbers, but it wouldn't be a lot. And considering the amount of time it would take, we would end up worse than we started because of all the time we burned making the transition. One of the big problems (but not the only problem) in the 21st century is that we currently have non-sustainable means to produce our energy. The more GHG pollution that is created, the more dramatic the change we will see on our planet. While I am definitely keeping an open mind on solutions, I think that any idea that maintains the status quo of a carbon based world economy is a nonstarter. Transitioning to renewable energy and sustainable transport is definitely going to be painful in the short term. However as difficult as that transition will be, it's still an economic problem. While maintaining an economy that grows as carbon pollution grows, that becomes an evolutionary problem (a threat to our existence). The common sense approach to me would be tackle an economic problem rather than have to deal with the evolutionary problem. But this is not a rational world we live in.
To me this is just early and is a centrist, not statist, position. Probably covering his ass early for the missed 2015 EV target.
Tesla seems to have BEV covered but they aren't going to get the mainstream market. To clean up the low end with more value buyers you'll probably need NG.
Renewble electricity + NG is the only really viable future energy solution.
(This would also help kill FCV.)
Tesla seems to have BEV covered but they aren't going to get the mainstream market. To clean up the low end with more value buyers you'll probably need NG.
Renewble electricity + NG is the only really viable future energy solution.
(This would also help kill FCV.)
I can tell you, with certainty, that the White House WILL respond to the petition. Let's please dial down the straw-man questions. There is a VERY strong lobby against Tesla, one I'm not sure Tesla even fully realizes. It's NOT just dealerships, it's oil, gas, coal, and every major dealership out there as well as an entire political party that still denies there's any reason to begin using renewable energy. That is nowhere near as simple as a dopey petition by ill informed individuals who are deciding to pile-on in one person's life.
Try to remember that governing is far from easy and when someone walks into the Oval as says Mr. President in order for my support on (insert priority legislation here) I need you to remain silent on this issue... This happens every day and it doesn't mean it's forgotten, it means they are waiting for the timing to be right. Sad reality, but it is reality nonetheless.
palmer_md
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Saw this on the Daily show. Breaking news.
Where Are We Now? - The Daily Show with Jon Stewart - 01/27/14 - Video Clip | Comedy Central
Where Are We Now? - The Daily Show with Jon Stewart - 01/27/14 - Video Clip | Comedy Central
The only difficult part is trying not to piss off donors that have conflicting interests. A politician is not going to bite the hand that feeds him. That's the sad reality.
That's the cynical view but the end result is the same and I truly can't fault the thought process.
As for Canada... they're still sore that Stanley is touring the USA :tongue: That all said, I think that Justin should be evicted for the Chromed out "look at me" Fisker itself. :biggrin:
The end result is not the same. It's supposed to be majority rules, but instead it's, big donations rule.
SwedishAdvocate
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Haven’t there been plenty of times in history where politicians have been forced to act based on public outcry. The pressure on the republicans from the Tea Party leading up to the last government shutdown (ok, I'm unsure on that one...). Bringing an end to the Vietnam War. Nixon leaving office. The majority of voters also does have a saying in elections and primaries. The difference those elections make in reality do not appear to be that significant though, since it apparently only are two real choices: The Republicans and the Democrats.
It seems the only way to get real change is to grow a grass roots movement as large as ever before that keeps the environment in the spotlight, and is able to get pro-environment representatives elected to the house, the senate and the presidency.
Instituting policy reform that somehow removes the possibility to pay off politicians also seems to be something that should be pursued.
I guess you can either try, or just simply give up.
Regardless of what you think of Obama, he didn’t come from money. A single mom and his grandparents brought him up.
mitch672
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Can we please stop with the over-generalizations here? There are people on these forums who, by virtue of a complex set of prioritized personal values, do drive Model S for alternative-energy reasons but tend to vote for that party when the "lesser of two evils" question is put before us on the ballot.
Not every Republican believes that Tesla is teh evil!!!11!!ELEVENTYONE!!!1! and wants to blow up the earth.
deonb
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Bieber now has the most popular petition on we-the-people.
Beating out declaring the Muslim Brotherhood as a terrorist organizations, stopping NSA surveillance, freeing political prisoners, legalizing Tesla, requiring GMO labelling - you know, the less important stuff.
Maybe this is actually just what the whitehouse wanted. Get a ridiculous petition like this on there and then respond to all of them at the same time. The other petition responses will get totally buried and minimized in that news cycle.
Beating out declaring the Muslim Brotherhood as a terrorist organizations, stopping NSA surveillance, freeing political prisoners, legalizing Tesla, requiring GMO labelling - you know, the less important stuff.
Maybe this is actually just what the whitehouse wanted. Get a ridiculous petition like this on there and then respond to all of them at the same time. The other petition responses will get totally buried and minimized in that news cycle.
I said political PARTY not the people who identify for whatever their personal reasons are with that party. The point I made was that, like it or not, that political party is part of the pressure operating against Tesla. It's not a secret the GOP denies global warming, or that we are a cause. Unfortunately, in an environment that is so polarized that pointing out that fact gets this kind of a response on this forum only begins to show the politics behind why the White House responds to certain petitions and more importantly the timing of those responses.
My original point stands. The OP posed the idea that somehow one petition was being given precedence over a Tesla dealer petition and intimated the reason was that one was more important and the other would not be responded to. My point is that Tesla is controversial in a huge way because it touches a lot of political hot buttons, and have entire industries and political parties operating against them and their mission. Don't yell at me about it, go complain to those in power that oppose it. Truth is, in this polarized world, the surest way to Kill Tesla would be for The White House to support them.
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Sad set of priorities of the majority of those who wish to stand up. My favorite petition however is the one to get rid of petitions as useless :biggrin:
RobStark
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No less debatable than the situation in Venezuela.
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Typical of European Parliamentary system. Mommy Angela Merkel just won the German elections with 41.5% of the vote.
They both were democratically elected after a failed putsch. Both socialist tyrants. Hitler a nationalist socialist while Chavez a Bolivarian socialist.
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Of course you don't see Russia as a democracy and but do see Venezuela as one. Of course you don't see Putin as democratically elected but do see Chavez as democratically elected. And you don't see similarities between the two despots Putin and Chavez who corrupted democracy at home and abroad.
You have a blind eye toward leftist tyrants. Only rightist tyrants are bad. I guess Mao did not really murder 50 million people?
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