It's hard to say there's any good politicians but I see no reason to blame Manchin for this. Let's not kid ourselves. BBB never had a chance of passing even with a euphemistic title and blackmailing the sorely needed infrastructure bill. The only good politician might be one with term limits attached.
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45thParallel
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The socialists are only interested in getting $3600 per child per year payment to any parent living in the US (regardless of legal status). EV and SALT exemptions were requested by moderates in the party. So if small bills get passed it will be what the progressives want. In an election year childcare payments is the only one likely to pass. We can hope and wish, but with the crazy inflation, appetite to spend more will be lacking.
There sure is:
$555 billion to fight climate change
$400 billion for universal pre-K
$200 billion for 4 weeks of paid leave
$165 billion on healthcare spending
$150 billion to expand affordable home care
ALL PAID FOR and a lot less expensive than the 2018 $1,900,000,000 tax give-away to corporations and the wealthy.
But, then again, I was only listing those items pertinent to this forum.
Sexy_owner
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Mr. Manchin has demands for BBB.
www.businessinsider.com
Joe Manchin demands that only parents working and making less than $200,000 get the full child tax credit — otherwise he'll tank it
Manchin's stance on the Build Back Better plan means the child-tax-credit payment on December 15 could be the last one families see.
www.businessinsider.com
ElectricIAC
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Make it 60/90/120.Mr. Manchin has demands for BBB.
Joe Manchin demands that only parents working and making less than $200,000 get the full child tax credit — otherwise he'll tank it
Manchin's stance on the Build Back Better plan means the child-tax-credit payment on December 15 could be the last one families see.
Sexy_owner
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WV coal miners want Manchin to pass BBB.
Coal miners’ union urges Manchin to reconsider opposition to Biden plan
The United Mine Workers of America (UMWA), which represents West Virginia coal miners, urged Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) on Monday to revisit his opposition to President Biden’s Build Back Bet…
thehill.com
ElectricIAC
Good-Natured Rascal
Imagine that, a Union urging.WV coal miners want Manchin to pass BBB.
Coal miners’ union urges Manchin to reconsider opposition to Biden plan
The United Mine Workers of America (UMWA), which represents West Virginia coal miners, urged Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) on Monday to revisit his opposition to President Biden’s Build Back Bet…thehill.com
No, WV coal miner’s UNION LEADERSHIP wants the bill to pass. That’s not the same as the majority of the coal miners wanting the bill to pass. Union leadership of many US trade unions runs substantially more Democratic-party-supporting than the union rank-and-file. Something tells me Manchin (pretty much the only statewide elected Democrat in WV) knows his state much better than you or the UMWA does…WV coal miners want Manchin to pass BBB.
Coal miners’ union urges Manchin to reconsider opposition to Biden plan
The United Mine Workers of America (UMWA), which represents West Virginia coal miners, urged Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) on Monday to revisit his opposition to President Biden’s Build Back Bet…thehill.com
Personally, I think the time for subsidies for EV is past; demand is very high and will very likely continue that way.
I am not terribly optimistic either (although it doesn't effect me personally) but there are pathways to passage. Biden has no shot at winning WV nor do any other democratic candidates. It has been suggested that Biden could make Manchin's life difficult - and by extension WV - in many ways. At the current trajectory, Biden has little hope of reelection so he might decide to go for it. A little closed door threatening - LBJ style - could convince Manchin to change his mind. The bill would have to have a change but it could be small - just enough to save face.
doomsday997
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The problem with that strategy is if they push him too far he could simply switch parties then he is senator in WV for life pretty much guranteed. The Dems know this which is why they have to they have to be careful with him. If he does that they lose the senate making passage of anything they want 0%.
Regardless of whether the child tax credit is good economics or social policy, the point is that the concept is bipartisan, popular on both sides of the aisle. And it is an expensive benefit as currently stuctured. If Manchin is gonna keep the lid on $2 trillion, there is not much left for anything else. Thus, the BBS supporters will require some hard decisions on what to eliminate and/or reduce the CTC.
(btw: EV credits are also bipartisan, but its about getting 50% of the votes....)
(btw: EV credits are also bipartisan, but its about getting 50% of the votes....)
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Some people are just really scared shitless. They only listen to CNN or the like, or the worst of all...fauchi. They don't study anything outside those sources, even world renowned epidemiologists. If they did, all this BS would be finished and people would understand how to take care of themselves instead of begging the government to do so.
TexasTezla
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I thought in WA you couldn't even get arrested for looting? Not much chance for a lowly cell phone user in a car! ;-)
EVNow
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I suspect they have greater margins selling panels and tiles at a greater margin than installing them at a supercharger. They will always need a transformer at a Supercharger. It's a great idea but what's the math. The real surprise is why isn't Cali entering into a public/private deal to offset the tax/cost for Tesla to install them? Oh, they are funding illegals, paying for hospitals for illegal, feeding illegals, housing illegals, building trains to nowhere and just all in, wasting tax payer money, nothing to see here. Keep pressuring the oil and gas industry and there won't be power for Superchagers at a reasonable cost, then that'll be a different post.
israndy
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Sheesh, yeah, hate on California, if you lived here and are not happy with our priorities than enter the discussion about it's future, if you don't SHUT UP, we have enough to think about with all the people that already DO live here. Work on yourself.
TexasTezla
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Ha, no chance me watching that garbage! No, it is strictly first hand experience in May...wow, talk about standing back and letting it happen! LOL. Anyway re the actual topic...yes, let's ruin it for everyone! :-(Don’t watch too much FoxNews
EVNow
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Oh well, who knows what law enforcement does. They even just let mobs ransack the Capitol.
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