Politics - Quarantine Thread

[Tam]

Elon Musk will not endorse Joe Biden for President. Subsequetially:
The FCC took away $900 million grant from SpaceX Starlink.
The DOJ is suing SpaceX for discrimination.
The EEOC is taking legal action against Tesla.
The EPA is trying to stop SpaceX launches in Texas.
The NHTSA is punishing 2 million Tesla drivers with more burdensome Autopilot dysfunctions.

There have been no such actions against other auto manufacturers.

Tell that to GM Cruise.

The government is going after Cruise. Many top executives resigned (about 10 including the CEO). The workforce is 24% cut.

 

[buckets0fun]

Tell that to GM Cruise.

The government is going after Cruise. Many top executives resigned (about 10 including the CEO). The workforce is 24% cut.

Darn. I was looking forward to using it while towing.
Always thought that was an interesting decision on their part.

 

[nikolajz1]

Tesla has been the biggest benefactor of EV credits this year. Stop...

 

[kellynice]

Elon Musk will not endorse Joe Biden for President. Subsequetially:
The FCC took away $900 million grant from SpaceX Starlink.
The DOJ is suing SpaceX for discrimination.
The EEOC is taking legal action against Tesla.
The EPA is trying to stop SpaceX launches in Texas.
The NHTSA is punishing 2 million Tesla drivers with more burdensome Autopilot dysfunctions.

There have been no such actions against other auto manufacturers.

Tesla’s luxury super charging station is also a Tesla business center. This is Tesla’s undisclosed plan. It mainly aims to improve service quality, upgrade existing super charging stations, and establish a business unique to Tesla. Center, and in the future, more and more Tesla Supercharging commercial comprehensive service parks will be established to cover the Tesla network around the world.

 

[DaveE]

THE CLIMATE CHANGE/GLOBAL WARMING ISSUES HAVE NO POLITICAL COLOR!

The ignorance or dishonesty of that statement is profound.

What it says is that you think greedy people with biases like politicisns aren’t going to exploit whatever they can to advantage themselves or their political agenda? Do you truly believe (are that gullible) that human nature of self interest has no part in anyone’s agenda? If you do, I have some carbon credits to sell you.

Joe Bidens green agenda gives subsidies based on income thresholds. That means they care more about Marxism (wealth redistribution) than the environment. You don’t think that’s political?

The UN and various “treaties” on climate excludes poorer and higher growth and polluting countries from compliance? They wouldn’t if the environment trumped politics/wealth redistribution.

So that you think Al Gore, or the IPCC are not political, requires a depth of ignorance that I can’t muster.

So of course many have ulterior motives.

You get what you incentivize. In the private sector profits are a motivator, in government sponsored science, politics is the prime motivator. Telling the politicians (you paycheck) what they want to hear, gets more fame and fortune (research grants).

 

[Raffy.Roma]

The ignorance or dishonesty of that statement is profound.

What it says is that you think greedy people with biases like politicisns aren’t going to exploit whatever they can to advantage themselves or their political agenda? Do you truly believe (are that gullible) that human nature of self interest has no part in anyone’s agenda? If you do, I have some carbon credits to sell you.

Joe Bidens green agenda gives subsidies based on income thresholds. That means they care more about Marxism (wealth redistribution) than the environment. You don’t think that’s political?

The UN and various “treaties” on climate excludes poorer and higher growth and polluting countries from compliance? They wouldn’t if the environment trumped politics/wealth redistribution.

So that you think Al Gore, or the IPCC are not political, requires a depth of ignorance that I can’t muster.

So of course many have ulterior motives.

You get what you incentivize. In the private sector profits are a motivator, in government sponsored science, politics is the prime motivator. Telling the politicians (you paycheck) what they want to hear, gets more fame and fortune (research grants).

This is a SCIENTIFIC THREAD and as such has NOTHING TO DO WITH POLITICS.
DON'T WANT THIS THREAD TO GET POLITICAL!
So I asked you PLEASE don't try to turn this thread, which is a sticky thread concerning a very delicate matter read by many people, into a political thread.

If you will continue in your behavior to get this thread political I ask to Moderators to intervene.

 

[j0shm1lls]

and Biden is going to try and hold Elon/Tesla back, this administration does not even acknowledge Tesla's leadership globally
pathetic

My middle name is Brandon, my son's name is Brandon. LET'S GO BRANDON!

 

[Gauss Guzzler]

I saw a Ludicrous today in LA with the usual front/rear covers and plastic discs zip-tied over the Warp wheels, but what really surprised me was that the steering wheel was installed wrong.

So apparently they'll be launching in back-ass countries soon? Great news for Aussies (and any Brits who can find open roads!) Are RHD Ludicrousesises's commonly seen around here?

 

[Lets go Plaid]

I saw a Ludicrous today in LA with the usual front/rear covers and plastic discs zip-tied over the Warp wheels, but what really surprised me was that the steering wheel was installed wrong.

So apparently they'll be launching in back-ass countries soon? Great news for Aussies (and any Brits who can find open roads!) Are RHD Ludicrousesises's commonly seen around here?

I always thought the US was the ‘back-ass’ of the world. I mean look who you’ve got running for President

 

[racerx2005]

… If you are the same Racer X making utube videos …

I don’t do YouTube videos … as a matter of fact, I haven’t even been watching videos there since they became a woke-radical-far-left-censorship cesspool. Have a nice day

 

[ill_smo_q]

I don’t do YouTube videos … as a matter of fact, I haven’t even been watching videos there since they became a woke-radical-far-left-censorship cesspool. Have a nice day

Oh! My bad, lotta people are calling themselves Racer X I guess. All good!

 

[texas_star_TM3]

No it isn’t naive.

People can buy the product. Use the product. And not have any idea what the CEO is doing. That is true for any and every product available.

Now IF you WANT to know all that is going on with said product, then yes. But most don’t give a .

Just wait until Elon will give a very prominent endorsement for Trump before the election….

 

[texas_star_TM3]

You're talking about a man who literally tweets things that can be read directly with no "news" involved, and bought twitter so that we could hear his thoughts without the filter of "the news".

Tweets such as how McKenzie Scott is the downfall of western civilization because she donates money, how COVID is not real and vaccines injure people, how he's up for a cage match with Zuckerberg, how "woke" is the reason for everything bad, blatant misinformation about immigration and election fraud, and let's not forget the transparent anti-Semitism. Or even just the fact that having children is "free" and everyone should have more. None of these require interpretation or reporting. They are all just literal tweets of his own words that you can read.

Here, let's start, tell me how the media artificially engineered this to make Elon look bad:
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(If you have to be told, no non-citizen can vote in a federal election, and you can't be "illegal" and "a citizen" at the same time. It's in the constitution. And a reminder that Musk is an immigrant, and had to take a test on US Civics as part of his naturalization process)

Not only that. You need a social security number to register to vote. And that number is matched to name, DOB in the states when registering folks to vote. So illegals would need a social security number (which they don’t have) and additionally commit a felony by lying about their citizenship status. You don’t have to show a passport or birth certificate when buying a firearm either…. But you are committing a felony by lying on the purchase form about your citizenship / immigration status.

It wouldn’t be hard at all to show proof how many illegals voted if any… especially as i would see red states being all over it. Despite that…. It’s crickets. Not even Texas could find meaningful voter fraud and they ran a whole commission on this. Kinda like the 60+ lawsuits lost over “stolen election”

 

[unk45]

Not only that. You need a social security number to register to vote. And that number is matched to name, DOB in the states when registering folks to vote. So illegals would need a social security number (which they don’t have) and additionally commit a felony by lying about their citizenship status. You don’t have to show a passport or birth certificate when buying a firearm either…. But you are committing a felony by lying on the purchase form about your citizenship / immigration status.

It wouldn’t be hard at all to show proof how many illegals voted if any… especially as i would see red states being all over it. Despite that…. It’s crickets. Not even Texas could find meaningful voter fraud and they ran a whole commission on this. Kinda like the 60+ lawsuits lost over “stolen election”

A social security number is issued to every US taxpayer and has zero connection to citizenship. Zero. For States that require proof of citizenship it requires State issued ID that notes citizenship, a US passport, birth certificate. Illegals often DO have SSAN. Migrant workers also have SSAN. If the US had a national ID, like most countries do, that would suffice and be the norm. In other countries that have mandatory voting, such as Brazil, one needs a n officially approved absence to excuse not voting. Mandatory voting neatly eliminates nearly all the voter ID, voter suppression debates.

 

[texas_star_TM3]

A social security number is issued to every US taxpayer and has zero connection to citizenship. Zero. For States that require proof of citizenship it requires State issued ID that notes citizenship, a US passport, birth certificate. Illegals often DO have SSAN. Migrant workers also have SSAN. If the US had a national ID, like most countries do, that would suffice and be the norm. In other countries that have mandatory voting, such as Brazil, one needs a n officially approved absence to excuse not voting. Mandatory voting neatly eliminates nearly all the voter ID, voter suppression debates.

SS reflects citizenship status though. you can get a SS as non citizen but the social security administration has you in their system as a non citizen. when i got my citizenship i had to go in person to the SS office for them to update my citizenship status in the system.

if you use a non citizen SS to register to vote you commit a felony and that's fairly easy to cross-reference... and it's prison time

 

[unk45]

SS reflects citizenship status though. you can get a SS as non citizen but the social security administration has you in their system as a non citizen. when i got my citizenship i had to go in person to the SS office for them to update my citizenship status in the system.

if you use a non citizen SS to register to vote you commit a felony and that's fairly easy to cross-reference... and it's prison time

Social Security uses citizens or legal residence as the distinction for receiving benefits. No one can sue a Social Security card as proof of anything at all because there is no Photo nor address and citizenship is not a requirement for benefits. The only way you would need to physically change status is to switch employment status to reflect residential condition.
Official Social Security statement:
"To pay you Social Security benefits, we may ask for documents showing that you are a U.S. citizen or lawfully admitted non-U.S. citizen."
Note "may". In some cases, my spouse for example, zero documents were ever provided to change her status. In others they 'may' require that.
FWIW, in the Naturalization process is most places they have document assistance for things such as Passport issuance and voter registration. In my spouse's case BTW, her new US Passport was actually issued the same day as the ceremony. Perhaps the Passport Service being in these building affected that. I do not know.

 

[DrChaos]

It wouldn’t be hard at all to show proof how many illegals voted if any… especially as i would see red states being all over it. Despite that…. It’s crickets. Not even Texas could find meaningful voter fraud and they ran a whole commission on this. Kinda like the 60+ lawsuits lost over “stolen election”

Of course they don't actually mean literal "illegals". They mean the "wrong kind of people".

 

[dramsey]

Not only that. You need a social security number to register to vote. And that number is matched to name, DOB in the states when registering folks to vote. So illegals would need a social security number (which they don’t have)...

Don't know where you got this information, but it's not correct. You do not need to provide a Social Security Number to register to vote. Here's the Federal document listing the voter registration requirements for each state. They vary somewhat, but in general it's "Provide a valid form of identification such as a driver's license." For example, here are the ID requirements to register to vote in a Federal election in Delaware (picked at random from the linked document below):

6.ID Number. Your complet-
ed voter registration form must
contain your state issued driver’s
license number or nonoperating
identifcation number. If you do
not have a driver’s license or
nonoperating identifcation, you
must include the last four digits
of your social security number. If
you do not have a driver’s license
or a nonoperating identifcation or
a social security number, please
write “NONE” on the form. A
unique identifying number will be
assigned by the State.

If I read this correctly, you don't need to provide any identification at all in order to vote in Federal elections in Delaware.

Federal Voter Registration: https://www.eac.gov/sites/default/files/eac_assets/1/6/Federal_Voter_Registration_ENG.pdf

 

[exfed2001]

You're talking about a man who literally tweets things that can be read directly with no "news" involved

Here, let's start, tell me how the media artificially engineered this to make Elon look bad:
View attachment 1043437
(If you have to be told, no non-citizen can vote in a federal election, and you can't be "illegal" and "a citizen" at the same time. It's in the constitution. And a reminder that Musk is an immigrant, and had to take a test on US Civics as part of his naturalization process)

key words are "not prevented," and that, from this former Fed, is true.