FlatSix911
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I am a long time Rennlist member (same Userid) and Porsche owner.
I'm afraid that even Porsche admits that the EPA numbers are legit and they only want to remind buyer of their other strengths... YMMV.
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Porsche Taycan EPA range
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I am a long time Rennlist member (same Userid) and Porsche owner.
I'm afraid that even Porsche admits that the EPA numbers are legit and they only want to remind buyer of their other strengths... YMMV.
Needsdecaf
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I am a long time Rennlist member (same Userid) and Porsche owner.
I'm afraid that even Porsche admits that the EPA numbers are legit and they only want to remind buyer of their other strengths... YMMV.
Exactly. As I have posted there, Porsche has not disputed the EPA results. In fact, they themselves submitted them to the EPA and the EPA marked them confirmed. It's not like Porsche handed the EPA a Taycan and were surprised by the results.
Still, I am very curious. There seem to be multiple reports, anectodal of course, of far more than 201 miles on a charge. To make a Tesla hit the EPA range is, well, not difficult, but it just doesn't "happen". And yet multiple reports of journalists who have little to no EV experience regularly exceeding the 201 mile range. I spoke at length to a journalist I know who was on the initial European launch. He has fairly extensive EV experience, having owned several including a Tesla. So I trust his understanding of EV's. He indicated that even hammer down, 200 miles of range was easily exceeded by many.
And then there is the AMCI test. I for one believe this test to be legitimate, as AMCI isnt't going to allow themselves to get dragged through the mud just for Porsche's sake. They have many automotive clients and can't afford to have their integrity called into account. So what is it about their test vs. the EPA test that results in the EPA test being so low? And why is the EPA test for the Taycan so much lower than the WLTP? Lower than the delta between WLTP and the EPA for, say, a Model S?
Very curious.
Nonetheless, the car does have other strengths. And when Porsche starts getting fleet miles under their belt and analyzes the data, the Macan EV and the Boxster / Cayman EV's will be very strong products.
I'm there too. (whiz944) I have my theories. But Porsche has not been very forthcoming in true technical details. So I guess we'll just have to learn from those who are stepping forward and making the first purchases.
This whole time I thought you hated PorscheI am a long time Rennlist member (same Userid) and Porsche owner.
I'm afraid that even Porsche admits that the EPA numbers are legit and they only want to remind buyer of their other strengths... YMMV.
Perhaps this is the likely outcome of Porsche's decision to simply modify a Panamera body to "make" an EV?
Similar to MBZ, these half-effort designs to create EV's using something already in production is simply sub-optimal.
The results speak for themselves: every non-Tesla EV effort we've seen so far has excessive weight, poor efficiency, and is a generally poor quality EV experience.
Pity that the legacy industry is so attached to the ICE . . . it may be their doom if they don't get their acts together ASAP. (See: Kodak, Nokia, et al.)
mtndrew1
Active Member
This is the first example of the EPA range for the Taycan S that I’ve come across.
Apparently the car has been rated at 192 miles of EPA range and 68 MPGe. The specific car can be found at Porsche Palm Springs at this link https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/detail/798346640/overview/
Apparently the car has been rated at 192 miles of EPA range and 68 MPGe. The specific car can be found at Porsche Palm Springs at this link https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/detail/798346640/overview/
AlanSubie4Life
Efficiency Obsessed Member
Remember the prior published values were for the Turbo not the Turbo S. Not surprisingly the Turbo S is worse. You can see this in the WLTP numbers too. There is some discussion about this earlier in this thread. Though my guess was wrong, it is in the range of what I expected.
Yikes. 192 miles for the top of the line Taycan? They just set EVs back a few years...
axhoaxho
Member
Yeah but this car is a driver's car. It's been optimized for driving. You know, like only Porsche knows how to do.
Range is indeed much less than expected, which is a disappointment. The car is a beautiful design though and drives very well, that is why many will buy it.
As you can see several forum members lurk on the Taycan forums - which should tell you there is interest in the Taycan from current Tesla owners, myself included.
As you can see several forum members lurk on the Taycan forums - which should tell you there is interest in the Taycan from current Tesla owners, myself included.
After 2 years with a P3D (and before that 3 years of P85D), I recommend those who want a car that drives very well and has excellent technology the model 3 - over anything else. However, neither model 3 nor model S are as refined and welcoming in the interior as my Merc E-coupe. This is where Porsche did a great job, and that is why I will replace the Merc with a Taycan rather than a Tesla. Judging by the chatter on the Taycan forums, I am not the only one making the switch.
axhoaxho
Member
Are there any reviews out there comparing the features of the latest Tesla Auto-pilot (with FSD) and Porsche offers on the Taycan?
Needsdecaf
Active Member
The Taycan is way, way different than a modified Panamera body. The only thing similar is the air suspension (modified), PDCC and RWS system.
The entire chassis is changed to accept the battery pack, which is a fully structural member.
Have not seen anything in writing, but people are talking about charging to 80% being recommended.
I could not find any good user review of the Porsche Innodrive system, will probably be similar to the e-tron system. I assume Tesla will be clearly superior to both in terms of features, upgrades. I assume the Porsche will be just at the level of Autopilot from 2014 or so.
Exactly, you aren't going to run the car down to 0% charge, especially with limited charging infrastructure, so lets say you account for a 30+ mile range before you risk being stranded, and you charge to 90% instead of 100% for battery longevity. That means you can go out for a ride, but it's going to likely be limited to 2 hours or so before you're done.
It is definitely going to be worse than with a Tesla - for both the density of superchargers and the lower range. But I would say perhaps not as drastic as you are mentioning. Daily driving assuming you don't have a huge commute should be OK. For the day trips I currently charge our model 3 to 100% - and I am planning to do the same with the Taycan. That will give you ~200 highway miles in summer, and I assume around 150-160 in winter. Recent e-tron testing in mild winter in Germany (5-10C) showed a highway range of 170 miles; I suspect Taycan should do a little better, so even accounting for the much colder Minnesota I still think over 150 miles.
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