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Hi. I created a calculator for energy consumption between two adjacent superchargers.
Origin supercharger | Gilroy, CA |
Destination supercharger | Tejon Ranch, CA |
Select car | Model S 85 / P85 / P85+ |
Average speed (mph) | 65 |
Tires | Performance |
Wheel size | 21 |
Weather | Rain |
Outside Temp (F) | 72 |
Climate Control On/Off | On |
Climate Control (F) | 68 |
Weight of occupants and cargo (lbs) | 300 |
Pano roof? | yes |
Energy consumption | 75.02 kWh |
Range consumption | 262 rated miles |
Battery consumption | 98.84% |
Duration | 3 h 29 min 13 sec |
Distance | 226.7 mi |
Remaining rated range | 3 rated miles |
1 of 7: Rolling Resistance Consumption (kWh) | 38.85 kWh |
2 of 7: Air Resistance Consumption (kWh) | 28.76 kWh |
3 of 7: Elevation consumption (kWh) | 1.77 kWh |
4 of 7: Climate control consumption (kWh) | 0.28 kWh |
5 of 7: Tires consumption (kWh) | 0.70 kWh |
6 of 7: 21" wheels consumption (kWh) | 1.55 kWh |
7 of 7: Road surface consumption (kWh) | 3.11 kWh |
Total Consumption (kWh) | 75.02 kWh |
Destination supercharger | Tejon Ranch, CA |
Select car | Model S 85 / P85 / P85+ |
Average speed (mph) | 65 |
Tires | Performance |
Wheel size | 21 |
Weather | Rain |
Outside Temp (F) | 72 |
Climate Control On/Off | On |
Climate Control (F) | 68 |
Weight of occupants and cargo (lbs) | 300 |
Pano roof? | yes |
Efficiency | 331 Wh/mi |
Energy consumption | 75.02 kWh |
Range consumption | 262 rated miles |
Battery consumption | 98.84% |
Duration | 3 h 29 min 13 sec |
Distance | 226.7 mi |
Remaining rated range | 3 rated miles |
1.1. Basic Rolling Resistance Consumption (kWh) | 38.85 kWh |
1.2. Additional tires consumption (kWh) | 0.70 kWh |
1.3. Additional 21" wheels consumption (kWh) | 1.55 kWh |
1.4. Additional road surface consumption (kWh) | 3.11 kWh |
1 of 7: Total Rolling Resistance Consumption (kWh) | 44.21 kWh |
2 of 7: Air Resistance Consumption (kWh) | 28.76 kWh |
3 of 7: Elevation consumption (kWh) | 1.77 kWh |
4 of 7: Climate control consumption (kWh) | 0.28 kWh |
Total Consumption (kWh) | 75.02 kWh |
The tesla range calculator ... Is it true ? Adding the A/C make the 70D have more range than all others ?!?
if true, the 70D A/C have something special. My guess, calculator error
Why do the Tesla graphs show rolling resistance as a small linear growth value, vs drag being the largest and exponential growth, and your calculations have rolling resistance as the highest consumption?Hi. I created a calculator for energy consumption between two adjacent superchargers. For now it works only for USA. You select two superchargers, enter speed, temperature and some other details and it shows you energy consumption in kWh, rated range consumption and battery percentage consumption. Elevation is part of the calculation but you don't need to enter that because all elevation data for stations is already there. Also you don't need to enter distance. Also it differentiates between different car models when calculating weight etc. I made this as detailed as I could.
You can find the calculator here: Tesla Model S calculator for energy consumption between two superchargers - Google Sheets
The origin and destination supercharger need to be within the car's range. This doesn't do multi stop trip planning.
How it works:
It is quite complicated. 7 different consumptions are calculated in kWh. These are:
1 of 7: Rolling Resistance Energy Consumption (kWh)
2 of 7: Air Resistance Energy Consumption (kWh)
3 of 7: Additional consumption: Elevation (kWh)
4 of 7: Additional consumption: Climate Control (kWh)
5 of 7: Additional consumption: Tires (kWh)
6 of 7: Additional consumption: 21" wheels (kWh)
7 of 7: Additional consumption: Road surface (kWh)
The two main categories are #1 and #2. I want to give detailed formulas for both of these in case others decide to work on this subject in the future and they might find this useful. ^2 means squared. This is common excel language.
1 of 7: Rolling Resistance Energy Consumption (kWh) = C40*C41*MultiplierData!$R$3*C6*0.44704/1000*C21/C6
C40= Weight of occupants and cargo + pano roof + other hardware + car (kg)
C41= gravity (m/s^2) = 9.81
MultiplierData!$R$3 = Road friction coefficient = 0.0165 (I found this by comparing the calculator to actual data)2 of 7: Air Resistance Energy Consumption (kWh) = C6*0.44704*(C21/C6)/1000*0.5*MultiplierData!$S$3*AVERAGE(C30,C31)*(C6*0.44704)^2)
C6= Speed (mph)
0.44704 = converts mph to m/s
/1000 = converts Wh to kWh
C21/C6 = Duration (h) = Distance (mi) / Speed (mph)
C6= Speed (mph)
0.44704 = converts mph to m/s
C21/C6 = Duration (h) = Distance (mi) / Speed (mph)
/1000= converts Wh to kWh
0.5 = This is part of the formula to calculate the force required to overcome drag. The formula is: 1/2 * air density * drag area * speed^2. In this formula the units are (kg/m^2), (m^2), (m/s^2).
MultiplierData!$S$3= Drag area for Model S = 0.576 m^2. Drag area numbers are available on this page: Automobile drag coefficient - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Don't multiply drag area by drag coefficient. It is already multiplied. Frontal area * drag coefficient = drag area
C30= Air density at origin (kg/m^2)
C31= Air density at destination (kg/m^2)
C6= Speed (mph)
0.44704 = converts mph to m/s
Air density calculations are quite complex too. First you calculate Local atmospheric pressure from elevation. Then from Local atmospheric pressure and outside temperature you calculate air density. I can explain these in detail if anybody is interested. I want to add that all this information is available to anybody who wants to use it. Open the spreadsheet, click "File > make a copy". Then you will have your own version to play with. :wink:
The biggest factor that could mess up calculations is headwind. Currently headwind is not part of the calculation. When you open the calculator you will see many columns side by side. The reason for this is because this way you can compare consumption at different speeds or you can compare different Tesla models side by side or multiple people might use the calculator at the same time.
In the file there is a sheet called "Survey". If you drive from one supercharger to another, it would be great if you could fill this section. This would help fine tuning the multipliers. It asks simple questions like what was your rated range when you arrived at this supercharger etc. However I hope it is already fairly accurate. I did test it against some data I found here and there. I hope it is more accurate than EVtripplanner and I welcome any comparisons and comments.
You can find the calculator here: Tesla Model S calculator for energy consumption between two superchargers - Google Sheets
Elevation
Other EVs (Roadsters and RAV4-EV's) use 7 miles up and 4 miles down; but the Model S is heavier. Subtract 10 miles for every 1000’ of elevation gain. Add 6 miles for every 1000’ of elevation loss. There’s probably no getting around the numbers for elevation gain, but there could easily be variation in the numbers for elevation loss – it depends on how fast you are going, how gradual the loss is, how much regen and wind resistance affect your speed, etc. Gain and loss numbers could both be larger if you carry more weight in your car.
Note that these are the number of miles to add or subtract, so you have to divide by the length of the trip to get a percentage. Ideally you should count ALL of the ups and downs on the trips; although I generally just look at the net elevation change, and any major passes along the way.
Why do the Tesla graphs show rolling resistance as a small linear growth value, vs drag being the largest and exponential growth, and your calculations have rolling resistance as the highest consumption?
i.e. http://c1cleantechnicacom.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/files/2016/02/Whpermilevsspeed.jpg
Same graph available for MX??
Same graph available for MX??
I understand there are a number of factors that affect range. For those of us who are less mathematically inclined (or who are too lazy to do the math), what's a rough guess of the percentage of the range numbers predicted by Tesla that are achievable in the real world assuming normal freeway driving at moderate temperatures? 70%? 80%? 90%
10-15% still with all-seasons??? Seems like maybe they should not have even offered that wheel design.
The problem is likely that the most drag is caused by the outer edge of the wheel, the 22" just have way more of that.
what's a rough guess of the percentage of the range numbers predicted by Tesla that are achievable in the real world assuming normal freeway driving at moderate temperatures? 70%? 80%? 90%
Agree with ChadS. Mine easily get more than 100% than EPA number at speeds 65mph with flat road no headwind no heaters.I understand there are a number of factors that affect range. For those of us who are less mathematically inclined (or who are too lazy to do the math), what's a rough guess of the percentage of the range numbers predicted by Tesla that are achievable in the real world assuming normal freeway driving at moderate temperatures? 70%? 80%? 90%
Numbers predicted by Tesla - you mean, the range-estimation tool on their website? (Probably, because that is what you are replying to). I haven't played with it for quite a while, but when I did the tool (outside of its limited parameters and things it left out) seemed to match real-life miles very well when conditions were good. Headwinds, elevation etc. were not counted; but if I didn't hit any, I got pretty much 100% of what they estimated. (In very poor weather I have gotten as little as 2/3 of what it predicts, though that is not common).
If you happen to mean the EPA numbers, those are a mixed-test number that aren't supposed to exactly match highway miles at any particular speed. But if I drive ~65 around here on a warm, windless day on flat road...yeah, I pretty much hit 100% then too.
You could also mean the trip tool in the car. That has some good points, like it's in the most useful place, it considers elevation, etc. But it's still the one I trust the least in some respects (it is still a very valuable tool; especially given its real-time status of how you are doing; you just have to leave a buffer). In addition to still not accounting for headwinds, and if it accounts for temperature I don't think it's too good (unless it's lost in one of the other problems), it also seems to do elevation wrong - I consistently under-perform its estimate going uphill, but overperform going downhill. That said, even if it's not the most accurate, I have sometimes overperformed its predictions in all sorts of weather. However, I have more often underperformed. Usually not by a whole lot though, unless I'm speeding and expect to.
Agree with ChadS. Mine easily get more than 100% than EPA number at speeds 65mph with flat road no headwind no heaters.
I live in Greensboro, North Carolina, where the weather is moderate for 8 months of the year. We have ordered a S70 to be delivered late May. My long distance travel in the Tesla will normally be about 180 miles one way (Asheville) or 200 miles round trip (Charlotte). The 200 mile one way trip has an elevation climb or drop (depending on the direction of travel) of 1,200 feet. We will be doing interstate driving with the heat or AC on depending on the weather.
The Tesla site says we can expect a range of 215 miles at 70 mph at 70 degrees (down to 195 at 32 degrees) with the AC or heat on. Are those estimates acheivable under normal circumstances? The margin is pretty small on both trips. In addition, there are no Superchargers and very few other type chargers in the 180 miles between Greensboro and Asheville. Is it reasonable to believe we will actually get a 200 mile range on the interstate?