Rear view camera - v9.0

[f-stop]

@f-stop I would actually think with FSD you would not need the map/NAV much at all, since the car should be doing the navigating.

My point is, once we have FSD you'll need to at least enter your destination somehow, so maps/Nav is a logical first point of contact when you first get in the car. And then you go play Asteroids or worry about things like this, presumably So that's a possible rationale behind this premature maps-centric console.

Yeah v9 also added destination input via sharing from your smartphone, I know. But even then I’m pretty sure most people will check the in-car Nav to make sure the car got it right, and then perhaps monitor progress en route.

Then again, I might simply be giving Tesla programmers too much credit - instead maybe they just thought it looks cool and never really thought how people actually use the screen now...

 

[Krazaak]

Seems like a reasonable solution would be to allow two open apps, have each dock to either the top or bottom of the display (vs. docking at the bottom as they do now) and have the map shift focus to the open section if only one app is visible. In addition, add a pin button to the app window, allowing it to be locked open in whichever slot. If 1 app is pinned, a second app opens in the open slot which can also be pinned.

Might be even easier to add an app settings page that lets you select top/bottom for each app and a pin setting.

There's really no need for the map to take up the whole 17" landscape screen and it'd be easy to incorporate two open apps into the overall UI design.

With 2 open apps, audio controls could default to hidden and pop over the bottom app only when opened.

 

[Brass Guy]

Then again, I might simply be giving Tesla programmers too much credit - instead maybe they just thought it looks cool and never really thought how people actually use the screen now...

Sadly, I think this is what's going on.

 

[KArnold]

My point is, once we have FSD you'll need to at least enter your destination somehow, so maps/Nav is a logical first point of contact when you first get in the car

You may be assuming most Tesla owners want and are willing to pay for FSD. I suspect that is actually a small minority. Personally I have little interest in that tech. It's not why I have a Tesla.

 

[f-stop]

You may be assuming most Tesla owners want and are willing to pay for FSD. I suspect that is actually a small minority. Personally I have little interest in that tech. It's not why I have a Tesla.

Neither do I. But your comment just emphasizes my point. I was suggesting that Tesla thinks everyone wants and needs a map-centric UI, likely to get them thinking about FSD.

 

[BruceW]

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3. Most importantly, Tesla want's to emphasis the importance of Map for the advent of autonomous driving. .[/QUOTE]

I do not understand this. Why is it important to emphasize to me, the driver, the importance of the map? I know how to drive to my destination as the map is in my brain. Autonomous driving will not need a driver or to display a map to drive as the map will be in its brain. So why is it so important to place an "emphasis" on a map that I don't need to look at and that the autonomous driving system won't need to display? Why is it so important?

 

[Sonic_78]

In my days we didn’t have any video games, we just challenged each other to see who could chew the most bark off of a tree. That’s the way it was and we liked it, we loved it!

 

[whitex]

Yeah I think it could be that, and more. It's about starting to unify the UI of the whole product line NOW, at the expense of advantages of the usefulness of the existing S/X's larger vertical screen. Also note that maps WILL be the main UI for a car once FSD arrives, so IMO Tesla is pushing us now to a maps-centric UI whether we all need maps 100% of the time or not, just to get us to believe FSD is just around the corner.

Yep, makes total sense. The Atari games are part of FSD preparations too, so that the driver can play games while the car is driving itself. The apps are on the lower part of the screen only so your kids can play while the car drives them to/from school (with no driver in the car), kids are short you know, may not be able to reach the top part of the screen. It's all part of Elon's grand plan. Now everyone knows why FSD is still being held back, because the car needs to be ready for bored passengers first.

 

[Unpilot]

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3. Most importantly, Tesla want's to emphasis the importance of Map for the advent of autonomous driving. .

I do not understand this. Why is it important to emphasize to me, the driver, the importance of the map? I know how to drive to my destination as the map is in my brain. Autonomous driving will not need a driver or to display a map to drive as the map will be in its brain. So why is it so important to place an "emphasis" on a map that I don't need to look at and that the autonomous driving system won't need to display? Why is it so important?[/QUOTE]
Probably because we are at version .001 of autonomous driving. Perhaps when we reach version 1.0 the screen will be totally customizable.

 

[whitex]

You may be assuming most Tesla owners want and are willing to pay for FSD. I suspect that is actually a small minority. Personally I have little interest in that tech. It's not why I have a Tesla.

I think you're wrong. I think if FSD was available (real FSD, like Elon describes in his tweet) almost everybody would buy it. I'd write them a check for $10K for our AP2 car, AND trade-up my AP1 car even if the summon is limited to the range of the car, give Elon a break on self-plugging superchargers.

If you're referring to paying $3K for bragging rights that you have a virtual magic bean that nobody, not even you, can see, then you're right, only people not familiar with Tesla's past got suckered into that one.

 

[3mp_kwh]

Neither do I. But your comment just emphasizes my point. I was suggesting that Tesla thinks everyone wants and needs a map-centric UI, likely to get them thinking about FSD.

And your comment is consistent with Musk's "You won't miss it.", regarding Model 3's lack of a dash screen. I don't imagine any programmers muttered "what if they miss it", after that.

No one is competing with Tesla. That much came true. Using demand destruction to help further define what's being idealized as a Tesla was their next logical step. The fact is, their sales have room to lean on conquests over loyalty.

 

[Jack Tripper]

Othe titles for this thread that were considered:

"This driver put his rear camera stickied on top. Tesla engineers hate him!"
"Photoshop didn't exist back then so these v9 pictures must be real."
"I complained to executive escalation about the new UI. Here's what happened."

 

[RAW84]

Tesla's mentality is: If new user can live without a permeant rear view camera, so can you.

This seems like poor logic by Tesla. What I'd want on a single screen UI is not necessarily the same as what I'd want on a dual screen UI.

 

[SpudLime]

This seems like poor logic by Tesla. What I'd want on a single screen UI is not necessarily the same as what I'd want on a dual screen UI.

I think it’s more logical to assume streamlining the UI code for cost savings and other reasons we don’t know about.

 

[bmah]

Moderator note: Per suggestion, merged four threads about the new behavior of the rear view camera on Software 9.0 on the Model S and X.

Admittedly this would have worked better when the threads were shorter than they are now, apologies.

Bruce.

 

[Tam]

...If new user can live without a permeant rear view camera, so can you...

It's a faulty assumption.

My rearview camera on the top half has been very useful. I can notice which car is behind, friends, foes, polices...

While parking, I can monitor the surrounding behind. I could see some friends who walked away but turned back and signal me to not driving away...

Anyhow:

I used to be fine with my Ford Escort with no air conditioning at all. I was sweating profusely in over 100F weather with that car but I kept it for more than a decade!

Now, I have air conditioning in a Tesla. And it is not any cheaper than a Ford Escort, so if Tesla takes Air Conditioning away from my Tesla, that would be very problematic.

Tesla is not Ford Escort.

Taking away in Tesla to match with my Ford Escort is incomprehensible!

And Model S, Model X are not Model 3!

Taking away something from Model S and Model X to match with Model 3 is not acceptable!

 

[cityberty]

Doesnt this also all play into the S and X redesign leaks?

Also maybe with the redesign you can see the rear camera in the instrument cluster. That would be nice. Altho prob unlikely as that IC looks even more streamlined

 

[Whitmarsh]

This is to add my complaint about not being able to have the camera view always in the top half of the screen. Like many other S & X owners, we always do that, given the limited view through the centre mirror and the fact that the fat back-end restricts the view out of the side mirrors.

I also cannot see the point of having the nav permanently open; I don't need it when driving locally, which is most of the time - and I would have thought that applied to most people. It's just a waste of screen-space.

My strongest gripe, however, is that I don't like being dictated to as to what I can have on the screen; if I want the browser and the calendar, why should I not have them? Even Windows doesn't force me to have something I don't want and in a position I don't like.

And while I'm venting: I hope that Tesla invert the display for RHD cars so that the list of settings is on the right; the stretch to the left is too long, especially for smaller people and especially when you are driving. That applies, in fact, to the nav display now; they ought to move that too. Or make both configurable.

As far as European customers are concerned (and this applies to Brits for now), if you feel the same, please write to [email protected].

 

[Tam]

Doesnt this also all play into the S and X redesign leaks?...

Yes. It may be a preparation for new S/X redesign but why redesign it for worse and not better?

Current Pre-V9 has two windows, redesigned mind should give more windows, more customization, more flexibility, and not less!

 

[SpudLime]

Yes. It may be a preparation for new S/X redesign but why redesign it for worse and not better?

Current Pre-V9 has two windows, redesigned mind should give more windows, more customization, more flexibility, and not less!

Not everyone thinks it’s been redesigned for the worse.