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Short-Term TSLA Price Movements - 2015
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Hogfighter
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For it to work one needs to use the <sarcasm></sarcasm> tags.
I thought the dot dot dot was the international sarcasm symbol (ISS).....
Johan
Ex got M3 in the divorce, waiting for EU Model Y!
FredTMC
Model S VIN #4925
well well well. The website wait time for US cars just switched from late December to Jan today (thx Hogfighter)
AND tesla just posted some more inventory cars on their site. Went from 58 to 78 today. I think these cars will sell out by year end. This is now the only way to get a brand new MS before year end ( and get your 2015 tax credit)
Looks like Tesla has all the U.S. Model S orders they need to keep production line running at full speed through year's end.
In other news, this link on TeslaMotors.com forum has a few Signature X customers reporting that their delivery specialists are calling and saying vehicle in production and delivery in December. The next step will be to see multiple customers requested to pay for X and for hard delivery dates to be given. Customers appear to be in first 350 numbers so far. Let's see how many Sig X customers chime in with delivery dates during the coming week.
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JRP3
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I debated throwing in a :wink: or
but thought the little bit of ambiguity might be more fun.
Breaking: World Leaders Just Agreed to a Landmark Deal to Fight Global Warming
http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2015/12/breaking-news-paris-climate-agreementSo will this drive up alternative energy related stocks on Monday?
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ludicrousspeed
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Yes, gas prices are at 7-year lows and this obviously lessens the demand for gas-saving alternatives like EVs.
However, I think the increasing concern regarding oil dependence is also a major factor. Recent terrorist attacks and current events are causing people to realize how bad it is to depend on foreign oil, regardless of the environmental impact that is has to begin with.
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MitchJi
Trying to learn kindness, patience & forgiveness
And how much difference do you think this "Landmark Deal" will actually make?
Great goal, but no mechanism to achieve it.
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A lot. For starters, hundreds of billions of dollars of private money, along with hundreds of billions of dollars of public money is about to made available to developing countries starting in 2016, to invest in Solar Panels, and Electric Vehicles, and projects that address climate change.
We have an agreement. What an improvement over Kyoto or Copenhagen! This is huge news whether it hits all your wish list or not. Hansen may decry it, but with all due respect, this would be Copenhagen 2.0 without some compromise. What we have is far better than no agreement and a better place to move forward with.
It doesn't matter *how* countries meet their goals and this agreement doesn't have to dictate the mechanism.
It doesn't matter *how* countries meet their goals and this agreement doesn't have to dictate the mechanism.
Just can't wait for more sightings and reviews of the X. I think it will help reinforce how far Teala is ahead. They will have two of the best cars on the road with the nearest competitor announcing for 2020 to compete with the first one released in 2012.
jhm
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The market is inscrutable like that.
Regardless, much of the success with COP21 has come with the recognition that renewables and storage are cost competitive and economically beneficial in multiple ways. Embracing renewables are no longer viewed as a drain on the global economy. This is perhaps greater benefit for growing economies than in developed countries.
One other small point, the essential thing to keeping fossils in the ground is to drive down their prices to the point they are no longer worth drilling or mining. I do not view the crash in coal, gas and oil as an impediment to renewables. Rather it is the necessary condition to the rise of renewables.
Consider this. About 141 GW of solar is needed to offset 1 million barrels per day of demand for fossil fuels. (This is based on heat rate of 10350 BTU needed to generate 1 kWh in a steam generator.) This year the cumulative installed solar capacity should reach 233GW, which offsets 1.65 mb/d of fossil demand. If this continues to grow 30% per year, an additional 70 GW of solar will be installed in 2016, offsetting another 0.5 mb/d of fossil demand. While this may not seem like much, consider that demand for oil grew by only 1.6 mb/d this year leading to an enormous oversupply, and the IEA expects only 1.2 mb/d growth in oil demand in 2016. This decline in demand growth, 0.6 mb/d is comparable to the incremental supply that solar provides. No doubt wind will make a comparable contribution as well. So renewable are presently at a scale which disrupts fossil energy markets. By 2020, solar should cumulatively offset demand for 6.1 mb/d of fossil demand and incrementally destroy 1.4 mb/d in 2020. So at some time between 2016 and 2020 we should see solar eclipse any growth in demand for oil. That is, I expect demand for oil to enter persistent decline before 2020. Now it is difficult for solar and wind energy to directly compete in transportation fuel markets because there are too few plug-in vehicles. However, solar and wind are crushing demand for natural gas. Natural gas and oil compete in heating and petrochemical feedstock markets. As natural gas becomes ridiculously cheap it drives oil out of non-transportation markets. Thus, solar and wind are undermining overall demand for oil and not just demand for coal and natural gas. And this is why we will have a persistent glut in all three fossils.
After oil is driven out of hearing, feedstock and power generation markets by solar and wind, it will be necessary for renewables to compete directly in transportation. I figure that 25 million EVs are needed to displace 1 mb/d in demand for oil in transportation. Thus, we need to get to this annual production level before 2030. Sharing autonomous EVs may amplify impact per vehicle, allowing fewer EVs to offset 1 mb/d in oil demand. So autonomous EVS can accelerate the decline of oil.
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