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Buggy crashes becoming growing hazard in Amish countryYes, that thought has crossed my mind a few times. I've been thinking that the Amish folks got it right. They are at the opposite end of the technology spectrum, yet have the perfect autopilot. I've never heard of a horse causing a buggy wreck. It always stays perfectly on the road in any weather with no white lines needed, doesn't need cameras or sensors.
Now watch, someone is going to go find an image of a buggy wreck.
Silicon Desert
Well-Known Member
That's great. I knew someone would find it. Did you notice that when they are on a road by themselves that nothing happens. It's usually the cars that hit the horses.
Same as AP2That's great. I knew someone would find it. Did you notice that when they are on a road by themselves that nothing happens. It's usually the cars that hit the horses.
That's great. I knew someone would find it. Did you notice that when they are on a road by themselves that nothing happens. It's usually the cars that hit the horses.
Don’t even get me started about everything wrong with Horse Media Player.... it keeps corrupting my USB sticks.
We need to complain less and look at this in context. Tesla listened and gave us 90% of what we asked for back (on top of the other v9 enhancements). My Honda Odassey still has a crap split non-touch laggy screen that kinda of not works and never got better. There is 0% chance it would be fixed even though it is way worse then any issue Tesla has.
Let’s move on and count our blessings.
Let’s move on and count our blessings.
What is with this rear camera fetish...? If I have the camera up for more than 5 seconds on the highway I'd have a freak'n panic attack. Its only up while backing up, which I do appreciate. Granted, I don't really like the limitations on dual apps like we had before, but I just don't get the rear camera $itch fest.
TomatoOne
Member
They spoiled the customer base by listening and (mostly) making reasonable decisions. Now, when we find useful things taken away, we make a fuss about it.
As customers, we could use a little more transparency and insight into what's going on with their development process. And if I let myself dream on a little, a public issue tracker with feature voting and team comments would be fantastic.
Maybe we should flood tesla support with calls to complain that they spend time working on features we never use instead of improving autopilot. If more people call to say they don’t need to pin camera on top, will tesla remove it again?
Kruegmeister
Member
You could always Buy a GM, Ford, BMW, Mercedes, Toyota... where it isn't even an option. This Rear View Camera View is NOT the norm, someone did a poll on the Facebook group and the use of this was the Minority by a good amount.
Basically the Drive on Nav, FSD, everything future needs the Maps up, there is only so much processing power available.
JohnnyG
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The issue is: removing functionality that was a selling point when purchasing a $150k car.
I'm super excited for all of you AP2.x car owners that can look past the diminishing of the UI while hyper-focusing on the AP improvements.
Unfortunately for the rest of us, we would just like the functionality to remain that we already had.
I don't need the GD media player to pop-up over half the screen every time I get in the car. Stay closed until I choose to open it.
I don't need the Controls to always open to the Quick Controls tab, when there's nothing in there that I normally adjust. Leave it how it was; where it always went back to the last tab you were in.
I don't need the map open 100% of the time. I know where I'm going. I would however like to keep useful information displayed; and dare I say, two different sources of useful information at the same time.
Monochrome may be the cool new retro hipster way of displaying a UI, but it makes it more difficult to quickly glance at the screen while driving; spending more time with your eyes off the road. I can barely tell if my suspension is in [Standard] or [Low] with a glance now.
Etc, Etc, Etc.....
I don't leave my camera on, but I support those folks, because they at least are willing to say something. Add features, don't take features away....
I'm super excited for all of you AP2.x car owners that can look past the diminishing of the UI while hyper-focusing on the AP improvements.
Unfortunately for the rest of us, we would just like the functionality to remain that we already had.
I don't need the GD media player to pop-up over half the screen every time I get in the car. Stay closed until I choose to open it.
I don't need the Controls to always open to the Quick Controls tab, when there's nothing in there that I normally adjust. Leave it how it was; where it always went back to the last tab you were in.
I don't need the map open 100% of the time. I know where I'm going. I would however like to keep useful information displayed; and dare I say, two different sources of useful information at the same time.
Monochrome may be the cool new retro hipster way of displaying a UI, but it makes it more difficult to quickly glance at the screen while driving; spending more time with your eyes off the road. I can barely tell if my suspension is in [Standard] or [Low] with a glance now.
Etc, Etc, Etc.....
I don't leave my camera on, but I support those folks, because they at least are willing to say something. Add features, don't take features away....
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Are you serious? Why are you and so many others trashing people for complaining about features that were neutered or removed in new software versions? This type of toxicity is the reason why I only drop into these forums once in while to get information on major updates or the latest insights in the autopilot system (from actual technical contributors, I might add).
The word "entitled" is so abused in mainstream culture these days - people use it simply as a slur against a desire that does not match their own. You ought to recgonise that owners are *entitled* to this UI fix because this is what we paid for. When I went to see the car in the showroom, the representative showed me that you could customise your active windows and specifically pointed out that the rear view camera would be useful in the top half of the screen. I personally have come to rely on combination of camera on top, maps on bottom. Simply hacking the UI to do any window on top and media player on bottom is neither an equivalent nor acceptable replacement, if I understand correctly what was done in this new version.
It's completely fine if you weren't impacted by the UI changes. But you have no business belittling owners who were and are complaining about it. We were *advertised* and *sold* window customisation functionality and it is now gone.
Service Centers, Mobile Techs, etc. are purposely kept behind to stop people from continuously calling and asking for firmware updates.
Screwbal
Member
Quick question while talking about features being removed in case I’ve missed other posts... did they silently remove the ability to play music from a usb drive? Haven’t seen it on any of the v9 releases so far in my car.
They still have split screen code. When you're doing low speed parking in reverse, you can tap the parking sensor icon to get exactly the old split screen with full-width camera on top and parking sensor display on bottom.
They can do this if they want to. They just don't want to because some UX designer is staking their next promotion on this being the best design.
It does not look anything like 8.x, except for the 8.x configuration with camera on top and music on bottom, which is not the configuration most people asking for this feature were using. I think most of us (myself anyway) drove with camera on top, nav on bottom most of the time.
This.
Tesla is playing a dangerous game by selling a durable good and then changing it after the sale without giving the purchaser any option to not accept the change. If you were to buy a refrigerator with french doors and then have it changed to a side-by-side layout by the manufacturer later, with no choice in the matter, would you be OK with that? Durable goods are expected, and I would venture to guess though IANAL, probably required by law at least in some places, to not involuntarily take away features that were present at the time of sale, at least not without very good reason (e.g., safety or court order).
Let's all hope that we don't wake up tomorrow in a house whose floor plan was changed by the builder overnight during an update without warning.
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