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Speed Assist and Lane Departure Warning
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The comments in the vein of hoaxes and photoshop are incorrect. I saw cars today with this as well. My own car just flipped to "Production Complete" in the last few hours, so I am hopeful to get this new stuff.
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:scared: Not sure Tesla would have many takers at that price! It'd have to be under $5k IMO, since we're talking mostly wiring, additional front/rear "parking" sensors, windshield, camera, and steering wheel (for some, since the new wheel/stalks are appearing in all new Model S).
riegetor
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Jerome Guillen[FONT=Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif] said during a visit in Norway in June that ACC would not be a retrofittable upgrade as it would be too complicated. I would guess that this includes the whole Drivers Assistance package they are now rolling out.
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100% sure that cannot be retrofitted, got an official message from Tesla :
These features (lane drift detection and speed display assist) cannot be retrofitted onto existing cars, as the entire wiring, the windshield, and the headliner are different.
As you I was happy with this new features but we have to accept that the car is going to change without our cars!!
let me translate that: "These features can be retrofit as long as you pay for a new windshield, headliner, and a ton of labor to install new wiring". I think Tesla has been willing to retrofit almost anything for the right amount of money. The issue is that many retrofits have been prohibitively expensive to the point where it's cheaper to just sell the car and buy a new one.
Tesla has a backlog as is. I suspect engineering already has more on their plate than they can handle. I see little value for Tesla in offering an upgrade if it requires special parts be manufactured. Engineering resources are better off working on things like Model X. Tesla already does much more updating than other manufacturers and not just through software. I have seen cases on other cars where suspension improvements were made. The factory refused guidance on retrofits. It wasn't worth their time. I will glady trade my car that has LA and ACC for any Model S should someone feel they have to have those features.
mknox
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Ditto from an early Production owner... However when I pre-paid for my Service Plan (which was compulsory to maintain your warranty at the time), it was said to include software and HARDWARE upgrades over time. I wonder if early owners who paid for the plan will ever see any of these features?
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One of the things that I think is important to understand is how Tesla updates their cars over time. Conventional car makers add improvements like these annually and with each successive model year. Tesla seems to make a steady stream of improvements in a continuum. For example, when I bought my '09 Cadillac, it had OnStar but it did not have the smartphone remote control apps. That came beginning with the 2010 model. I didn't complain that Cadillac "owed" me a feature improvement because it was pretty easy to understand I bought an '09 and that was a 2010 feature. With Tesla's model of continuous improvements, it is a bit of a fuzzy line.
jkliu47
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The prepaid service plan was never compulsory for maintaining the warranty. Annual service was compulsory at one point, but you didn't have to buy a plan.
Gizmotoy
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The windshield and headliner are relatively inexpensive parts. The pair together are less than $2k including labor (though the headliner being different is kind of surprising). So major wiring revisions is the only realistic reasoning, and it's a valid one.
Still, it's pretty early on. You can ask Tesla the same thing a dozen times and get different answers from a dozen different people, so it's a bit early to get depressed that this won't be possible to retrofit. There are major wiring changes required for the power folding mirrors, after all, and they'll retrofit those.
Plus, I'm suspicious they don't mention the wheel, which we know is different.
I wonder if they're really going to do the park assist, doesn't that also require a whole bunch of actuators for the steering? I know Ford and co provide this as a relatively inexpensive option, but it seems like more of a party trick to me, I'm not sure if any of the 'big boys (Merc, BMW, Audi etc) have this option?
FTR, my last car (Audi A5) used the rear camera and sensors mounted in the mirrors for blind spot detection, so it's possible the sensors nearest the wheel arches could just be for blind spot, and not park assist.
mknox
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Yes it was. They announced that they would no longer require it for warranty maintenance shorty after I purchased it.
EDIT: Yes, it was the Service visits that were compulsory, not the Plan. I bought the pre-paid plan because it was cheaper than a-la-carte since i was going to "have" to do it anyway.
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I would think "necessary" hardware upgrades would be a warranty issue irrespective of the Plan.
Some hardware upgrades might require over 100 hours of labor and taking most of the car apart. I'm sure most people realize that buying a service plan for $1,900 didn't entitle them to free upgrades regardless of complexity over the entire for year period.
That said the way the service plan was worded was poorly done. Telsa had upgraded many hardware components in my Sig not because they were broken but because a newer, better components existed. That is hardware upgrades in a sense.
That said the way the service plan was worded was poorly done. Telsa had upgraded many hardware components in my Sig not because they were broken but because a newer, better components existed. That is hardware upgrades in a sense.
riegetor
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The VW Tiguan we recently sold had park assist. I used it mostly as a "party trick", mostly due to rarely need for parallel parking. It did parallel park really well though.
