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GasDoc
Member
At the scene. The rear end embedded in the building must be seen to be believed. Will upload 35mm telephoto pics in a few days
Todd Burch
14-Year Member
If there was a fatality to someone in the Model S and they were not wearing their seat belt, IMHO it should have zero impact on Model S safety statistics.
Owner
Active Member
Thanks GasDoc. Must have been a huge collision to get the Tesla airborne enough and it is a heavy car. Looks like the rear is 3' off the ground. I'm basing that upon the height of the man in the photo.
ryanjm
Tesla Podcast Host
IIRC even Elon has admitted that the "zero fatalities/permanent injuries" statistic isn't going to last forever.
If it's got to end, a thief not wearing a seatbelt is about the least PR-damaging way it can be done. Hopefully all police and innocent bystanders are OK.
If it's got to end, a thief not wearing a seatbelt is about the least PR-damaging way it can be done. Hopefully all police and innocent bystanders are OK.
Pilot_51
Member
I'm reasonably certain that Tesla has the ability to track and shut down any Model S as long as it has a data connection, loaner or not, mobile access enabled or not. I believe they can even change the settings remotely (as hinted by my DS), which should include the speed limiter.
Hodginator
Member
I expect you are correct. When I received my Tesla it would only go 80MPH (not that I would ever speed in my car). I called Tesla and they fixed it remotely while the car was on. I'm sure they have the ability to shut it down.
The odd part is if this is possible and Tesla was the one who reported the original tampering, why didn't they shut it down during the pursuit? it will be interesting to get all of the blanks filled in on this accident.
Probably because it's dangerous to shutdown a car while it's moving. Exhibit A: People killed in GM cars with faulty ignition switches that shutdown the car.
Hodginator
Member
Perhaps, but this is a feature of OnStar. The difference with the faulty ignition is that Onstar leaves the airbags on and slows (cuts acceleration only) the car in a controlled fashion. I'm sure Tesla would be able to reduce the power or stop the car in a safe manner. It's a hell of a lot better than some idiot hitting other cars and a building at 100MPH.
GasDoc
Member
Newscutter
Member
Shutting down cars remotely while it's moving is a huge risk to the surrounding community, the driver, and Tesla since they don't see what the driver sees. They need to have some sort of police "escort" or supervision before they remotely shutdown a stolen moving car. We don't know what kind of contact Tesla had with the police during the pursuit and we're also not sure what kind of "disable" capability Tesla has with the car when it's moving. You can't assume Tesla can slow down the car like OnStar can.
Ben W
Chess Grandmaster (Supervised)
There may be legal implications that prevented them from doing that. (Innocent-until-proven-guilty and so forth.) It perhaps would have to be implemented in such a way that the police could control it directly, though even that gets into a slippery slope. What if the police remotely interfere with the car's behavior, which then still crashes, and the driver (or anyone affected) sues the police for causing the crash? That said, I obviously do wish a remote speed-limiter had been employed in this case.
This reminds me of the Enzo Ferrari that split in half after hitting a telephone pole on the 101 just north of Malibu around 8 years ago. I saw the engine compartment laying in the street and the front half near the telephone pole around 200 feet away. Fortunately after hitting the pole neither piece of the car hit anything else. Amazingly the driver just walked away with only scratches and was apprehended later by the police.
http://www.wreckedexotics.com/special/enzo/
http://www.wreckedexotics.com/special/enzo/
" A preliminary report that one person had been killed were pulled back by the sheriff's office, said deputy Quinana Birkbeck."
Thieves Steal Tesla, Speed Away at 100 MPH, Crash, Slice Car in Half - Police Fire - Culver City, CA Patch
Thanks for the link. Quote: (police sergeant) "...Campbell said one of the theft suspects was ejected from the Tesla, possibly through the windshield."
Wasn't wearing his seatbelt. Idiot. Amazing he is still alive. Based on the photo GasDoc posted up thread, it appears to have been the driver who went through the windshield.
Wasn't wearing his seatbelt. Idiot. Amazing he is still alive. Based on the photo GasDoc posted up thread, it appears to have been the driver who went through the windshield.
WEST HOLLYWOOD, Calif. (KABC) --
A pursuit suspect is in critical condition after being ejected from a stolen Tesla in West Hollywood on Friday, police said.
Tesla splits in 2 after chase, fiery crash in West Hollywood | abc7.com
A pursuit suspect is in critical condition after being ejected from a stolen Tesla in West Hollywood on Friday, police said.
Tesla splits in 2 after chase, fiery crash in West Hollywood | abc7.com
Rebel44
Member
I dont think there is any legal problem with slowly stopping stolen car - OnStar already does this.
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