Correlation != causality so I wouldn't read too much into QC...currently at least one stall is down, and as of 10:30am this morning there was a queue 8 deep with 2 stalls out.
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Supercharger - Carlsbad, CA (7710 El Camino Real, LIVE 27 Sep 2018, 26 urban stalls)
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Correlation != causality so I wouldn't read too much into QC...currently at least one stall is down, and as of 10:30am this morning there was a queue 8 deep with 2 stalls out.
Teriyaki88
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Stopped here on the way back from OC. Holy cow 19 of the 20 spots were occupied about 4:30 on Saturday 11-20-2018. Was not expecting that many spots to be occupied. I'm guessing electric cars are here to stay 
Glad you were able to get a spot - I'm not surprised it was busy considering the other Superchargers in San Diego either have a line (Qualcomm) or are difficult to access (downtown parking structure).Stopped here on the way back from OC. Holy cow 19 of the 20 spots were occupied about 4:30 on Saturday 11-20-2018. Was not expecting that many spots to be occupied. I'm guessing electric cars are here to stay
Graffi
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I wonder how long it will take until this Supercharger puts out more energy per day than Qualcomm. If only someone would post a photo from Kettleman or another place that shows this data.
I see you took a trip into the future.Stopped here on the way back from OC. Holy cow 19 of the 20 spots were occupied about 4:30 on Saturday 11-20-2018. Was not expecting that many spots to be occupied. I'm guessing electric cars are here to stay
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Favor to Ask for Anyone Charging at 7710 site:
If you have time to burn for a few minutes while waiting for charge, could you check on this business to verify location:
Amarige Art Gallery
7710 El Camino Real Suite #425, Carlsbad CA
I couldn't figure out whether this is attached to the Equinox Bldg or is just an old address associated with the complex before it was being developed. Any help and information would be appreciated. BTW love the site development at this location. Great spot!
Thanks
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Favor to Ask for Anyone Charging at 7710 site:
If you have time to burn for a few minutes while waiting for charge, could you check on this business to verify location:
Amarige Art Gallery
7710 El Camino Real Suite #425, Carlsbad CA
I couldn't figure out whether this is attached to the Equinox Bldg or is just an old address associated with the complex before it was being developed. Any help and information would be appreciated. BTW love the site development at this location. Great spot!
Thanks
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[off-topic on] For not too much more, I have a trainer that comes to my house a couple times a week and keeps me in excellent shape. $179 just for access to a gym that I would never use is not worth it. I have actually joined more gyms that I have gone to.
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Jerry Ham
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We stopped at this charger on a nice trip from the SF Bay Area, down through Santa Clarita, on to San Diego, then back up to Santa Barbara and on home. We hit Carlsbad twice; once on the way down to San Diego (since I have read the horror stories of limited charging and dinged cars at the SD chargers) and once on the way back up. The first time was fine - several spots available. On the trip back up though it was completely filled. We watched, and indeed the folks were coming from that gym nearby. It looked like they all took a class or something that ended at 9:00 AM because right after that people with towels and water bottles came walking up and driving away and soon there were 6 open spots. So timing at this charger is important. At the wrong time of the morning on a weekday (we hit it on Thursday morning at 8:45 AM) it is full.
If someone plugged in to charge at this location and then went to a one hour gym class nearby, their car would be finished charging long before they returned (even if it was set to charge to 100%) and they would have to pay idle fees. That will get expensive very quickly, and they are unlikely to do it again. Which is the purpose of the idle fee.
bkp_duke
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That gym is a minimum $179/mo. Some of these people won't blink at those fees (and some will).
Jerry Ham
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Maybe it was a 30 minute class? They definitely came from there though. Also, the charge rate was extremely low - I don't know why actually. These are the urban chargers so in theory every stall can get up to 72 kW with a warm battery and a low SoC. I've gotten te full 72 kW at the new Livermore, CA urban chargers. As I said we stopped at this one on the way down to San Diego and on the way back up. On the way down we got 41 kW max (but we were high on SoC - at 76% so didn't expect more). On the way back through - when it was full as described - we were at 31 kW max on a battery warmed by a nice long drive and were only at 50% SoC. Not sure if this one doesn't actually have enough power from the utility to drive all of the stalls simultaneously at up to 72 kW or not, but with charging that slow perhaps they could be there for an hour. That 31 kW was the lowest we got on our entire trip (the highest being 118 at both Kettleman City and Gilroy).
The transformer for this site is 1,500 KVA. Now 72 kW x 20 stalls = 1,440 kW, but that's DC power after having some losses converting from AC to DC. And I have no clue how 1,500 KVA relates to how many actual kW you can pull through it. When people start talking KVA to kW, they start talking about power factors and my eyes glaze over.
But electricity is just weird anyways.
All modern high power electronic loads have active power factor correction, so you can take kVA as being equal to kW.
JohnnyLounge21
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I used this text years ago to print out and place when ICEd.
Maybe it needs to be amended for EV owners and the current law:
EV Parking Only
Courtesy notice –
Parking violation under California Vehicle Code section 22511
This vehicle is parked blocking an Electric Vehicle Recharging Station.
This parking space is designated for Electric Vehicles Only.
This is not a regular parking space for the convenience of all vehicle drivers -- it is an Electric Vehicle Recharging Station. Parking in a way that prevents use of the Recharging Station is not only illegal; it can leave an Electric Vehicle driver stranded.
Under California Vehicle Code section 22511, non-electric vehicles parked in spaces reserved for electric vehicles are subject to fines up to $100 and may be towed away at the owner's expense. We prefer to avoid taking such action unless absolutely necessary.
Thank you for your cooperation.
You should remove any mention of "Parking" being allowed there at all. It ISN'T a parking space, ever. It's strictly a charging space. I would rework the notice as follows:
"EV CHARGING Only
Courtesy notice –
Parking violation under California Vehicle Code section 22511
This vehicle is parked blocking an Electric Vehicle Charging Station.
As shown by the sign at the front of the stall, this space is designated for use ONLY by Electric Vehicles while charging.
This is not a regular parking space for the convenience of all vehicle drivers -- it is an Electric Vehicle Charging Station. Parking in a way that prevents use of the Charging Station is not only a violation under the CA Vehicle Code; it can leave an Electric Vehicle driver stranded.
Under California Vehicle Code section 22511, vehicles occupying these spaces but not charging are subject to fines up to $100 and may be towed away at the owner's expense. We prefer to avoid taking such action unless absolutely necessary.
Thank you for your future cooperation."
Writing it like that will eliminate any potential ambiguity over whether someone in an EV or PHEV is allowed to park in an EVCS stall without charging (like the case in JohnnyLounge21's post above yours which started this sub-topic).
Also, people who are going to use such notices need to be careful to only leave them when the stall is actually limited to charging only and not just for every car that is parked--but not connected/charging--in a stall that also has a charger. At almost every supercharger location, some portion of the stalls with chargers will be signed to also enable their use as general parking spaces for a limited time. Someone parking in one of those stalls may be an inconsiderate person but they aren't committing an infraction and aren't liable to be cited/towed/fined so long as they abide by the posted time limit.
"EV CHARGING Only
Courtesy notice –
Parking violation under California Vehicle Code section 22511
This vehicle is parked blocking an Electric Vehicle Charging Station.
As shown by the sign at the front of the stall, this space is designated for use ONLY by Electric Vehicles while charging.
This is not a regular parking space for the convenience of all vehicle drivers -- it is an Electric Vehicle Charging Station. Parking in a way that prevents use of the Charging Station is not only a violation under the CA Vehicle Code; it can leave an Electric Vehicle driver stranded.
Under California Vehicle Code section 22511, vehicles occupying these spaces but not charging are subject to fines up to $100 and may be towed away at the owner's expense. We prefer to avoid taking such action unless absolutely necessary.
Thank you for your future cooperation."
Writing it like that will eliminate any potential ambiguity over whether someone in an EV or PHEV is allowed to park in an EVCS stall without charging (like the case in JohnnyLounge21's post above yours which started this sub-topic).
Also, people who are going to use such notices need to be careful to only leave them when the stall is actually limited to charging only and not just for every car that is parked--but not connected/charging--in a stall that also has a charger. At almost every supercharger location, some portion of the stalls with chargers will be signed to also enable their use as general parking spaces for a limited time. Someone parking in one of those stalls may be an inconsiderate person but they aren't committing an infraction and aren't liable to be cited/towed/fined so long as they abide by the posted time limit.
