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Yes, US97 from Weed to Rufus needs Superchargers. K-Falls and Bend or Redmond/Madras would do the trick. Those should permit easy driving (now that Kennewick is open) from northern California to Eastern Washington. I went to EVTripplanner and saw that the elevation gain from K-Falls to Susanville is a whopping 79 feet. Under summer conditions with one driver, it would use 281 wh/mile. In winter conditions (30 degrees) with 850 pounds of payload, the wh/mile went to 340. So should be easy in a 70.

Bend/Redmond (or Prineville)/Madras is another group of problem intersections - you want SCs in all three, but need at least two (Bend first in any case), as you'll ultimately want to reach Baker City as well as Riley/Burns and on to Ontario. Mitchell instead of Redmond/Prineville might work, but you really want an SC in Mt. Vernon or John Day; John Day has a much larger selection of restaurants.

As always, I'm basing planning around 60s and assuming that will be the likely range capability of a Model 3, loaded to 1,000 lb. and @ 32 degrees or even 0 deg. plus some degradation, i.e. lowest common denominator. It's not the net elevation change that worries me, it's the steep ups and downs - Susanville to K-Falls is 4,295 feet total climb, 4,216 ft. total descent - it's a roller coaster.

Finally, maybe it is because of my age, but I do not know a soul who relies upon navigation systems in their driving. For me (and my wife/son/friends) they are a complete distraction. Directions are frequently obsolete. They route you on the interstates when secondary roads are more fun and scenic. They do not know that certain highways are closed for the winter. They have bad names for streets (or the dread "unnamed road.") Distances are frequently off by 100+feet in urban areas where the blocks are really, really short. In short, I get the feeling that whoever designs these navigation systems never uses them. Cheers!

As someone who has almost never thrown a map away, and has drawers full of road maps, topographic maps, park maps, cultural maps, aviation and nautical charts covering much of the country and used as necessary, plus always carries around numerous city, regional and state maps in my car, and has even done my share of compass/pace, kick or tape/altimeter or depth gauge mapping, I can relate:biggrin: I don't have nav in my car, and consider it a frill, nice to have but unnecessary. I've used GPS and like having it as a backup, but consider that, like most technology, it tends to replace thinking with blind following. But I suspect we are a dying breed, judging by the number of hikers/backpackers I see with eyes glued to their GPS.

BTW, can we get a mod to change the name of this thread to "Supercharger - Topaz Lake"?
 
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Now, for LEE VINING (have I emphasized that enough?) and Jamestown or Groveland, SLT and Bishop. And I like that Mariposa is actively looking to get Tesla to put an SC and/or HPWCs there. With one in Fresno plus the above, that will cover all routes into Yosemite with at least two in a gateway town, plus provide access to Shaver/Huntington/Edison Lakes and Sequoia/Kings Canyon from the NW. They still need one in Visalia/Tulare, or better yet put it further east in Exeter, Lemon Cove or Three Rivers, and put an SC in Bakersield instead. That will be good spacing along 99, plus a gateway SC for Sequoia from the SW.

Add my plea for Lee Vining. Or better yet, Crane Flat though I expect that might be problematic. The point is to make it easy to get from the Bay Area to Mammoth. Manteca to Mammoth is a stretch.
 
Add my plea for Lee Vining. Or better yet, Crane Flat though I expect that might be problematic. The point is to make it easy to get from the Bay Area to Mammoth. Manteca to Mammoth is a stretch.
Back in September 2012 I scoped out the potential for charging stations along 120, and Crane Flat quickly got scratched off the list. They get their electricity from a big, smelly diesel genset located behind fencing next to the store, along with a huge tank. White Wolf's out too. Tuolumne Meadows might be an option but I doubt it, even assuming they were willing to put in brand-specific charging stations. I was just up there again on the 7th, and had a look at the transformers for the gas station, store and campground reservation office areas. Electric capacity is extremely limited, and while some upgrading would be possible, I very much doubt it would go beyond L1 or maybe L2. For an SC I think it has to be Groveland (Harden Flat Texaco station, further east, is lacking in amenities) or Jamestown (Chicken Ranch Indian casino, or else downtown). Groveland's still the best for 120 through traffic, but Jamestown's more versatile, serving 120 plus 4 and 108.
 
Stopped by the Topaz site today and construction is well under way. Should be ready in a week or two. They were digging a trench for the power feed. No transformer yet.
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I'm surprised they're making this site 6 stalls. I'd have thought 4 would be plenty, and that's all Inyokern and Lone Pine have. Now Mammoth I could maybe see needing more, even though it's a destination, but it seems unlikely that there'll be more traffic coming down 395 from Reno through Topaz Lake, than head up it from SoCal.
 
I'm surprised they're making this site 6 stalls. I'd have thought 4 would be plenty, and that's all Inyokern and Lone Pine have. Now Mammoth I could maybe see needing more, even though it's a destination, but it seems unlikely that there'll be more traffic coming down 395 from Reno through Topaz Lake, than head up it from SoCal.


I thought a similar thing when Boise got 8 stalls to start with. I think this may be so that they can leave it for the next 10 years without having to go back in and add capacity to it for quite a while.
 
I'm surprised they're making this site 6 stalls. I'd have thought 4 would be plenty, and that's all Inyokern and Lone Pine have. Now Mammoth I could maybe see needing more, even though it's a destination, but it seems unlikely that there'll be more traffic coming down 395 from Reno through Topaz Lake, than head up it from SoCal.


I think that six stalls are probably more than adequate for now. But this location might get a little more traffic than we anticipate. Bay Area travelers can now take Kingsbury Grade to Stateline and US50 as an alternate route to Sac. And the junction of SR89 and US395 is only about 6-8 miles away which allows travel over Ebbets Pass on SR4 during the times the road is open.

I could see some people who are going to Arizona from the Pacific Northwest leaving Interstate 5 and crossing the Sierra and now utilizing US395 as a change of pace and scenery from the Central Valley, Tehachapi Pass or Tejon Pass and the San Gabriel Valley. Besides, they could time their journey to stay over in Mammoth.
 
This supercharger makes it very doable to go from Truckee to Topaz to Lone Pine and on to Southern California. It opens up US 395.
I drove from my home in north Lake Tahoe to Lone Pine last week and back. It was a squeaker and I had to manage my speed carefully. However, once Topaz is open it will be easy.
 
This supercharger makes it very doable to go from Truckee to Topaz to Lone Pine and on to Southern California. It opens up US 395.
I drove from my home in north Lake Tahoe to Lone Pine last week and back. It was a squeaker and I had to manage my speed carefully. However, once Topaz is open it will be easy.

And now permitting is complete for Mammoth Lakes, so there will be no more than 121 miles (Inyokern to Cucamonga) between superchargers from Truckee to San Diego or Los Angeles. Even a 60 would have no trouble making such a trip at normal highway speeds in any kind of weather.
 
My 2013 S85 with 15 miles of RM loss refuses to build a route through Lone Pine to Topaz Lake, saying "charging needed." EVTriplanner says it is doable, barely, given the net elevation gain going North. With no Level 2 along 395 except for the HPWC at the hotels in Mammoth, we need Mammoth Lakes SC online as well.
 
My 2013 S85 with 15 miles of RM loss refuses to build a route through Lone Pine to Topaz Lake, saying "charging needed." EVTriplanner says it is doable, barely, given the net elevation gain going North. With no Level 2 along 395 except for the HPWC at the hotels in Mammoth, we need Mammoth Lakes SC online as well.

There is an RV park in Bishop that I've used before. I believe it's Highlands at the north end (at least north in terms of 395) of Bishop. We used it last Spring to make it to Reno from Lone Pine. It's NEMA 14-50 but only at 208V.
 
My 2013 S85 with 15 miles of RM loss refuses to build a route through Lone Pine to Topaz Lake, saying "charging needed." EVTriplanner says it is doable, barely, given the net elevation gain going North. With no Level 2 along 395 except for the HPWC at the hotels in Mammoth, we need Mammoth Lakes SC online as well.

Ask and ye shall receive. Mammoth Lakes SC is approved, perhaps can open before winter.
Supercharger - Mammoth Mountain (location confirmed)
 
My 2013 S85 with 15 miles of RM loss refuses to build a route through Lone Pine to Topaz Lake, saying "charging needed." EVTriplanner says it is doable, barely, given the net elevation gain going North. With no Level 2 along 395 except for the HPWC at the hotels in Mammoth, we need Mammoth Lakes SC online as well.
I've driven Lone Pine to Garnerville several times with 30 to 50 miles on arrival (85D).
Just watch your speed.