yerEVan
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Townships are known for holding things up as well. Yeah the green garage 220 volt plugs get used up quickly and I believe mostly by the Tesla store inside mall.
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Supercharger - King of Prussia, PA
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I'm actually not sure that a large mall is a great fit for a supercharger, unless it just has unused parking lot space it wants to monetize (assuming Tesla even pays rent).
It seems like a convenience store or grocery store is a much better fit. Charging is a 20-40min stop. You don't want the charger to be super-close to the front of the lot otherwise it gets ICEd, so for something like KoP you'd spend half your charging time walking to/from the entrance, and what are you going to do in a mall for 10-20min?
For a grocery store the lot is much smaller, and you can just run in and get snacks/etc.
There just isn't the same synergy for a mall, so while it costs something to set up and maintain, it doesn't actually generate much business. Unless somebody wants to charge for 20min and wait in the car, then go re-park and shop.
It seems like a convenience store or grocery store is a much better fit. Charging is a 20-40min stop. You don't want the charger to be super-close to the front of the lot otherwise it gets ICEd, so for something like KoP you'd spend half your charging time walking to/from the entrance, and what are you going to do in a mall for 10-20min?
For a grocery store the lot is much smaller, and you can just run in and get snacks/etc.
There just isn't the same synergy for a mall, so while it costs something to set up and maintain, it doesn't actually generate much business. Unless somebody wants to charge for 20min and wait in the car, then go re-park and shop.
yerEVan
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We shopped and ate while at the Albany NY SC at the mall. It was super tight and not many spots but it worked out well. For us at least.
The Supercharger at the Crossings in Tannersville works out well. They placed it in a location near the entrance but in an area that almost no one would normally park since it is behind a block of stores. On the rare occasions I charge there I can grab something to eat or shop at a close by store and easily walk back to my X when it is done charging. But it isn't possible to walk to stores far away from the entrance and actually shop without charging completing and having to move my Tesla. It's a tradeoff, but I think most charge there not to shop but because they are traveling long distance and just need a charge.
K1Woods
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At the KofP mall, I'd recommend adding additional Tesla destination chargers if possible. Pictured below. As a busy location at times, prb need to add significant idle charges (if possible on Destination). Cars tend to stay parked for long periods at the slow charge rates. However, they can come in handy in a pinch.
I agree a Supercharger should prb be in another area (new shops near Wegmans or CHOP)
I agree a Supercharger should prb be in another area (new shops near Wegmans or CHOP)
I just assume any destination charger that is free simply doesn't exist. There will always be somebody plugged in because they just made a 2 mile drive and they want their 5 cents of free electricity. Obviously if I'm on a trip and the destination charger would save me from supercharging I'll take advantage of an open slot, but I never plan on having access to a free charger.
I mean, free is nice and all, but having an available charger is far more important, and if I really would benefit I'm almost always willing to pay above-market rates for the power. Just charge 20c/kWh or whatever so that people only use it if home charging isn't an option, but it isn't highway robbery either.
vdiv
Chief Grump
Tyson's Galleria, a fancy mall in NoVA has 12 Volta charging stations, all free to use. Most are usually occupied by Model 3s.
K1Woods
Member
yes, that's nice. Isn't KingofPrussia the second largest mall in the country? The volume alone, the Tesla Store inside should merit something special. Great way to advertise.
vdiv
Chief Grump
That's Tyson's Corner that has the load-sharing HPWCs, a separate mall across the street, managed by a separate company (Lerner and Macerich respectively)
Anyway, let's not rub salt in the wound, though Electrify America already did that at KoP, installing a six stall station, shooting down all arguments why the mall can't have a Tesla supercharger.
Craig_in_PA
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All 150kW. Electrify usually installs some 350kW chargers (although no EV can charge that fest yet), but not here. I blame PECO for that.
No, it is the largest mall in the world currently after the connection between the two sides went in.
Craig_in_PA
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2nd largest in US, 3rd in north america, 42nd largest in world
List of largest shopping malls - Wikipedia
Hmm, I thought it was higher at some point. Maybe it was a different ranking method. It is 2nd-3rd in the US apparently depending on how you count the amusement park in Mall of America.
The wikipedia page says it is the largest in the US.
But it is much smaller than the West Edmonton Mall. I was there in 2004 and it was way bigger than KoP, can confirm.
model3fan
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If anyone wants to reply to peco claiming issues aren't with them, see this thread, not that I expect it'll help
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K1Woods
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King of Prussia, PA
Coming Soon
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https://www.tesla.com/findus
Coming Soon
Target opening in 2020
Exact timing and specific location may vary
https://www.tesla.com/findus
WATTS-UP
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The idea of supercharging I think was two fold, One, to enable you to drive your electric (Tesla ) on a long trip. Two, to make that trip, the charging part reasonable. Back in 2014 we paid $2,500.00 to help the supercharging network develop it was sold as free travel. We should be looking to create the gas station type of charging locations. A place where you can pull in and charge your car at a reasonably fast rate at a fair price and be able to sit down and have a cup of coffee. That has to be created by private industry. I do believe there is one location in Maryland that has that type of charging location.
95% of my charging is done at home, the other 5% is mostly along I95. I am looking forward to the ( CSS ) chargers coming on board.
My hope is that this will open up more of the out of the way travel locations. There is one thing that has to happen THAT IS WE PAY FOR THE ELECTRIC THAT WE USE every time we charge up. As long as we look for that FREE charge, the idea of paying for your fuel (electricity) will be kicked down the road for a couple of more years..
95% of my charging is done at home, the other 5% is mostly along I95. I am looking forward to the ( CSS ) chargers coming on board.
My hope is that this will open up more of the out of the way travel locations. There is one thing that has to happen THAT IS WE PAY FOR THE ELECTRIC THAT WE USE every time we charge up. As long as we look for that FREE charge, the idea of paying for your fuel (electricity) will be kicked down the road for a couple of more years..
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