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Tesla’s Autopilot just saved someone’s life

Discussion in 'Model S' started by sorka, Jul 21, 2016.

  1. sorka

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    This was already posted and noted that the AutoPilot system was not in use at the time.
     
  3. trils0n

    trils0n 2013 P85

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    The autopilot safety features (like forward collision warning, and automatic emergency braking) are active all the time, regardless of whether Autopilot is on.
     
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    Musk's tweets have been very specific and clear that AutoPilot is either on or off.
     
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    trils0n 2013 P85

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    "Autopilot on" refers to TACC and Auto Steering being active.
    "Autopilot off" refers to TACC and Auto Steering as not active.
    TACC is turned on by a single pull of the stalk, and a double pull activates TACC and Auto Steering.

    Autopilot is a suite of driver assistance features. These include FCW and AEB. These parts of Autopilot are active and work even when Autopilot is off (as in TACC and Autosteer are not active).
     
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  6. KZKZ

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    Sorry to disagree, but that's not exactly correct.

    There still seems to be a lot of confusion about what AutoPilot is.
     
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    trils0n 2013 P85

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    It is correct. No confusion here.

    If you want to be pedantic then FCW and AEB aren't part of the "Autopilot Convenience Features" package. They are standard on every Tesla.

    Autopilot hardware is included on every new Tesla. This Autopilot hardware enables features like FCW and AEB. Those features work regardless of whether Autopilot is "On" or "Off".
     
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    Sorry to call you out like that, but confusion about AutoPilot is a big issue, even Musk refers to the problem.

    AEB does not mean AutoPilot.
     
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    Semantics. It is the same hardware and software.
     
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    Yeah, the only items listed as Autopilot on site are 1) Autosteer with TACC, 2) Lane changing, 3) Autopark. You pay $2500 for these "convenience features" they are called. All part of AP.

    Emergency braking and collision avoidance (side) are always active on all models with settings to control them, but are considered part of safety systems that you don't pay extra for.
     
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    The problems Musk refers to in regards to confusion about Autopilot include: that Autopilot is misidentified (mainly by the media and non-users) as an autonomous driving system. Or that the driver can zone out or do other things while the Autopilot is on. Or that the driver is not responsible for controlling the vehicle. Or that Autopilot is suitable for all roads/conditions. Also part of the problem: Not realizing that safety features like FCW and AEB are part of Autopilot.

    AEB is part of Autopilot.
     
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    Max* Autopilot != Autonomous

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    Absolutely.

    You can't have AP with AEB, but you can have AEB without AP.

    And the accident prevention described here is not AP related directly, it's AEB related. But since it can be in some roundabout way included in the AP discussions, which get the press coverage, "AP" saved the pedestrian.
     
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    I love it when people say this. Given that the meaning of the word "semantics" is "meaning", what this is saying is that you don't
    think the meaning of what was said matters. That seems a bit odd.
     
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    According to your definition then, every Model S comes standard with AutoPilot.

    Also, every time a Mode S rear ends a car, by definition, AutoPilot is involved.

    I doubt very much that Telsa would agree with your definition, or where that definition leads.
     
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    Not to beat a dead horse but ....

    AEB is a part of Model S, standard.
     
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    Max* Autopilot != Autonomous

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    AEB is part of the Model S.
    AutoPilot is part of the Model S.
    Thus AEB is part of AutoPilot!

    ;)
     
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    Yes it is exactly correct, and yes, you are indeed confused about what Autopilot is.

    Autopilot is an umbrella term that refers to an entire suite of features in the Tesla Model S and X. Those features are split into two groups, Autopilot Safety features and Autopilot Convenience features.

    AutoPilot Safety Features (included on all Model S and X vehicles manufactured after 10/2014):
    • Blind spot warnings
    • Side collision avoidance
    • Lane departure warning
    • Forward collision warning
    • Automatic emergency braking

    AutoPilot Convenience Features (optional package):
    • Traffic-aware cruise control
    • Autosteer with Auto lane change
    • Auto parallel park
    • Auto perpendicular park
    • Auto high/low beam headlights
    • Summon

    The issue that needs to be addressed is that when the general public or the press uses the term "AutoPilot" in reference to the Tesla vehicles, in almost all cases they are actually referring specifically to the Autosteer feature. That is an incorrect use of the term "AutoPilot" by Tesla's definition. Indeed, even many of us who know better, including myself, informally refer to the Autosteer feature as "Autopilot" or "AP" here on this forum, despite the fact that we actually shouldn't.

    In the OP's referenced incident, the Automatic Emergency Braking feature was responsible for avoiding the collision. That is an Autopilot safety feature, and it's active whether Autosteer is engaged or not, or even whether the Autopilot convenience package has been purchased and activated or not.
     
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    Good to know that AutoPilot is now standard! LOL

    Musk was right, owners are very confused.
     
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    To be clear, AutoPilot Safety features are standard, AutoPilot Convenience features are an optional package.
     
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    A feature common to many high-end cars these days, so it is a bit disingenuous for Tesla to allow this be construed as owing to
    advanced Tesla-specific capabilities. Sometime good things happen for relatively ordinary reasons. Just leave it at that.
     
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