It's been orderable for about 72 hours here. Notwithstanding that I also don't have access to their order data. I'm surprised you do.Well, if your ambition is "growth" then by all means. Not sure if you are trolling, friendPerhaps success might look like the most sold car on the planet, while making a healthy profit on each unit?
I don't know, the Polestar 4 is launched and sales are pretty unremarkable here in Norway at least. What are they like on your end?
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MrBadger
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From an outsiders perspective, all the NO billboards seem to be pushing the Polestar 3. I never noticed the 4 being actively pushed, at least not up north, yet the 3 was on quite a few large prominent billboards.
fwiw, VW ID7 also being noticeably pushed. Looked a very solid car from the outside and peering in the window looked a comfy place to be. Not been following the ID7 rollout though so not sure where NO is on the delivery curve vs UK.
Your images don't exactly make an apples for apples comparison though do they? those 718k/2.5m figures are global sales of ALL vehicles, not just EVs. From the body of that InsideEVs article:
Tesla obviously don't sell anything other than BEVs, so their 1.81 million certainly makes a bigger dent when compared more directly with equivalent vehicles. BMW also started selling cars in 1928, so you'd expect them to be slightly ahead of the curve in raw numbers of all vehicles sold.
Not to say BMW aren't successfully selling cars, they clearly are when looking at the growth numbers. But selectively grabbing headlines without context doesn't really show much, IMO.
Do you realise that Volvo is owned by
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Volvo is currently owned by the Zhejiang Geely Holding Group
Zilla91
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I didn’t realise non-EVs no longer counted as sales. My mistake
He said BMW were failing, I disproved that false statement. They sell more cars than Tesla and their EV sales are growing.
Next you’ll be complaining it’s not fair because they have a much bigger range of vehicles.
Yea sorry, I carried it over here as it was a bit more in keeping
Yes. I could understand I we were told about part availability, however this isn't the case, also a well known issue and it's not an easy fault to get by with. More annoyingly that they had the car for two days to assess the handle and were more interested in changing the 12v battery which wasn't a problem until it got there.
Zilla91
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Uh oh. Looks like Tesla will be falling behind BMW even more if they're already having to pull these demand levers to boost sales
I didn’t realise non-EVs no longer counted as sales. My mistake
He said BMW were failing, I disproved that false statement. They sell more cars than Tesla and their EV sales are growing.
Next you’ll be complaining it’s not fair because they have a much bigger range of vehicles.
Well, the premise of my statement was that Polestar was created in an effort for Volvo to start selling EVs. Polestar was Volvo's "AMG" at the time, and was carved out into a separate business entity also owned by Geely.
So, in the context of a well established and successful car brand wanting to launch EVs, Volvo (for simplicity's sake, sure Geely probably had a lot to say in this) spun off Polestar as a separate brand. BMW (like pretty much all their competitors) already had some amount of experience with EVs and the EV marketplace and elected to continue sprinkling their EVs among the general product portfolio.
Me being interested in the strategic side of the transition toward EVs that is taking place, find creating Polestar an inspred move , and perhaps something other brands could or even should have mirrored. But I'm just a guy discussing stuff on the internet so of course that's just my opinion and not the result of careful scientific analysis.
Now, BMWs overall sales and financial performance isn't stellar but they are doing pretty well.
My argument is that sprinkling EVs in among their general product portfolio means they are stretching their brand and trying to please the same customer segment with both ICE and EV models. BMW aren't stupid and made this choice with open eyes.
Yet, when they occasionally make less than stellar EVs, they annoy or even ailenate all their customers. The i5 (or particularly the iX) are for instance not going down well with BMW enthusiasts over here, the G60 earning the nickname "shrinkflation 5-series" due to the "cheapening" of the quality and specifications. There a lots of forum posts along the lines of BMW trying to build "German Teslas" where they of course expect much more from BMW than from some vulgar american upstart. A 2.4 ton 5-series isn't the "ultimate driving machine" and sticking an M badge on it is not exactly making it easier to accept.
So living in Norway where 82% of the cars sold in Q4 last year were EVs, I'm aware that it's easy for us to focus more or even too much on EVs and less on ICE cars. OTOH "new" brands entering the european market like Polestar, NIO, BYD tend to choose our marketplace for early efforts for the same reason. As for sources I'm just going to say "industry gossip" as public VIN registration data have a certain lag
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Zilla91
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They’re going down well enough that they’re selling lots of them.
I see a tonne of iX’s everywhere here in the UK
They are certainly difficult to miss when seen.
They're doing a bit of everything, the i4, i5, i7, iX3 are shared, the iX and before that the i3 were dedicated, and the Roll Royce EV, a BMW company, is dedicated and I believe still has a central tunnel for stiffness. To some that will appear "not committed" to others its 'prudent business sense". They're also looking at Hydrogen in a big way.
Time will tell on all this, and while space does seem an issue on the i4, the i7 is seen as one of the most luxurious exec limo cars, the iX one of the quietest EVs, the i4 one of the better handling etc so depending whats important to you they might tick the right boxes, or they won't. Everyones priority list is different.
12Pack
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Well, the new Taycans look to have Plaid-level straight line performance, active ride control and a big bump in range. They'll certainly have Plaid level pace. If only they had the space....
www.evo.co.uk
New Porsche Taycan – all you need to know | Evo
It might look familiar, but the facelifted Porsche Taycan promises huge gains in dynamic potential and everyday usability
www.evo.co.uk
Zilla91
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Launch Plaid pricing too.Well, the new Taycans look to have Plaid-level straight line performance, active ride control and a big bump in range. They'll certainly have Plaid level pace. If only they had the space....
New Porsche Taycan – all you need to know | Evo
It might look familiar, but the facelifted Porsche Taycan promises huge gains in dynamic potential and everyday usability
Does look nice though. I do think it's lost something going to more traditional looking headlights.
MrBadger
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12Pack
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Indeed there are because they add height to the rear boot. But even with that they have "only" about 400 l with the rear seats up and 1100 l with them flat (compared to 745l and 1645l for an MS). And very tight for 3 in the rear seat - as well as half the space in the frunk.
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