Tesla Software updates - Australia

[Candleflame]

80% is actually worse for stasis than 90%... so i do wonder where this is coming from. or maybe they have done internal research and most ppl use a wallcharger and charge just before departure...

On teslafi it seems that most people get around 12-13% degradation and then it just stays there. (10% rated range loss)

 

[EcoCloudIT]

Have you checked your range loss overnight or over a couple of days?…and I wouldn’t hopeful of that call

Range used to be bad overnight (vampire drain), however these days it is quite low of aroud 1-2km's over night.

The issue is the driving range has never been anything like what Tesla advertised...at best 60% but more often around 52% of the 417km's Tesla clearly advertised to me.

 

[Ottmeister]

2023.26.7 Installed. No issues at present, but an anti climax as I thought this version was introducing "drive on sunshine" option for those with PWs and Tesla wall connector.

Try Elon timespace continuum and have the function in Oz by 2028 - perhaps.

 

[Vostok]

How do you know you are at 24%? I don't keep figures like yourself, however is there an eye way I can do a test?

The “simplest” way is to use the API for the local PW2 Gateway via a web browser. You need to find the IP address of your Gateway on your local network (often something like 192.168.0.xxx or 10.0.1.xxx) - the admin page of your home internet Router should reveal it as one of the connected devices (TEG - Tesla Energy Gateway).

Open a web browser and go to that IP address (https://192.168.0.xxx). The device you are using for your web browser must be connected to the same network as the PW2 Gateway e.g. WiFi to the same modem your Gateway is connected to. You will be asked to enter your Tesla account email address and the password is the last 5 characters (numbers & letters) of the serial number of your Gateway. You’ll then get a status screen like this:

To get the current system status parameters, you need to type this address in the address bar of your web browser:

https://192.168.0.xxx/api/system_status

This will return a JSON object containing a bunch of system status parameters. One of them is “nominal_full_pack_energy”, which is the current capacity of your PW2 in Watthours. Mine currently shows 9992 or 9.992 kWh.

An unofficial document explaining the PW2 Gateway API and all its commands is below. But beware - if you don’t know what you’re doing you could easily mess up your PW2 settings, shut it down, or take it offline.

powerwall2/README.md at master · vloschiavo/powerwall2

Tesla Powerwall 2 - Local Gateway API documentation - vloschiavo/powerwall2

github.com

 

[moa999]

417km's Tesla clearly advertised to me.

You mean the Not Even Damm Close (NEDC) range that the Aus Govt forced Tesla to use,
Even when it was advertising a very different range in the US, or in the car (EPA range)

 

[mukaibot]

Hey friends, I just noticed that slow chargers appear in the Tesla maps. Has this always been there? I'm a relatively new owner.

There's a "two lightning bolt" symbol that is showing but appears empty. I wonder if 50kw chargers may appear there in the future? Perhaps signs that non-Tesla fast charger support is coming?

 

[Vostok]

You mean the Not Even Damm Close (NEDC) range that the Aus Govt forced Tesla to use,

We do not us NEDC here. WLTP is the standard. And a misunderstood one. WLTP is not meant to be the vehicle’s range in “real world” driving (whatever that might be) but is a standardised means of comparison between different vehicles.

If you want a metric that is closest to “real world” range that appears to be EPA.

I find my “real world” range is very close to what the Tesla battery icon shows, which is not NEDC, WLTP or EPA.

 

[Onshore]

We do not us NEDC here. WLTP is the standard. And a misunderstood one. WLTP is not meant to be the vehicle’s range in “real world” driving (whatever that might be) but is a standardised means of comparison between different vehicles.

We don't now, but we did until around late 2019. Prior to that, the ADR used the NEDC cycle

"Australian Design Rule (ADR) 81/02 requires that fuel consumption and CO2 emissions be determined according to the NEDC test cycle."

What is the Worldwide Harmonised Light Vehicle Test Procedure (WLTP)? | Practical Motoring

The Worldwide Harmonised Light Vehicle Test Procedure is now in-force in Europe but what is it? Here’s everything you need to know about it.

practicalmotoring.com.au

Fuel economy testing: What is WLTP and how does it work?

Take a look at the new rules, and what they mean for carmakers in Australia.

www.drive.com.au

If you want a metric that is closest to “real world” range that appears to be EPA.

Agree - it appears to be the most accurate of the bunch. The PRC standard "CLTC" is the most ridiculous of the lot. It must be done downhill with a tailwind

 

[James_B]

Hey friends, I just noticed that slow chargers appear in the Tesla maps. Has this always been there? I'm a relatively new owner.

There's a "two lightning bolt" symbol that is showing but appears empty. I wonder if 50kw chargers may appear there in the future? Perhaps signs that non-Tesla fast charger support is coming?

It's been like that always. I don't think the "two lightning bolt" has ever shown anything in the 5 years I've been an owner.

 

[Quickst]

I have requested management call me

Time to get the claim moving forward - see a solicitor
I would do the following
Completely ignore the terms "warranty"

Write a letter to Tesla Australia
Include the following in the letter
You allege Car is not of acceptable quality, not fit for purpose and does not match the description of the advertising. (These are word for word your consumer guarantees under the law).
You believe the Tesla with respect to VINnumber XXXXXXXX is not meeting its Consumer Guarantee obligations provided for under the Competition and Consumer Act

Dont mention" warranty" because the warranty from a legislative point of view in Australia is additional to your consumer guarantees. Consumer guarantees applies regardless of the warranty. A warranty cannot exclude a consumer guarantee

Then put in a claim in whatever tribunal your solicitor advises.

 

[ZeeDoktor]

My 2020 Raven is still recommending 90% for daily driving on 2023.26.7.

The only other update I noticed the tyre gauges page now shows how old the measurement is if it's not up to date.

 

[paulp]

Time to get the claim moving forward - see a solicitor
I would do the following
Completely ignore the terms "warranty"

Write a letter to Tesla Australia
Include the following in the letter
You allege Car is not of acceptable quality, not fit for purpose and does not match the description of the advertising. (These are word for word your consumer guarantees under the law).
You believe the Tesla with respect to VINnumber XXXXXXXX is not meeting its Consumer Guarantee obligations provided for under the Competition and Consumer Act

Dont mention" warranty" because the warranty from a legislative point of view in Australia is additional to your consumer guarantees. Consumer guarantees applies regardless of the warranty. A warranty cannot exclude a consumer guarantee

Then put in a claim in whatever tribunal your solicitor advises.

Then kiss goodbye to $200k on solicitors, and if you lose another $200k for tesla’s solicitors….and you still have the car albeit now tarnished with copius quantities of media that the mainstream outlets will delight in.

 

[dpskipper]

So, after a negative visit to Tesla a few days ago I am all ears on what I should do next?

Seeking Assistance from the Tesla Owners Club of Australia

Tesla Owners Club of Australia

www.teslaowners.org.au

 

[EcoCloudIT]

You mean the Not Even Damm Close (NEDC) range that the Aus Govt forced Tesla to use,
Even when it was advertising a very different range in the US, or in the car (EPA range)

Sure, but getting around 50% of what was advertised surely is against the consumer act…

 

[EcoCloudIT]

We do not us NEDC here. WLTP is the standard. And a misunderstood one. WLTP is not meant to be the vehicle’s range in “real world” driving (whatever that might be) but is a standardised means of comparison between different vehicles.

If you want a metric that is closest to “real world” range that appears to be EPA.

I find my “real world” range is very close to what the Tesla battery icon shows, which is not NEDC, WLTP or EPA.

My real world range I my 3 if fairly accurate to my typical range that I have it set to, my X is at best another 20% less than typical therefore around 50% less than advertised…

 

[EcoCloudIT]

Seeking Assistance from the Tesla Owners Club of Australia

Tesla Owners Club of Australia

www.teslaowners.org.au

I’m already a member…in the early days Mark was of great help…he’s fair too busy with more important things than for me to be hitting him up…

 

[moa999]

But what is your Wh/km usage and how does that compare to other Xs with similar usage patterns.

 

[Quickst]

$200k

Well, see a solicitor - and see what they say. My experience of 1 case involcing a $30,000 claim is a lot less than that.....

 

[EcoCloudIT]

But what is your Wh/km usage and how does that compare to other Xs with similar usage patterns.

No idea other X's, we drive like grandma's (never had the half shafts replaced and on first set of tyres at 55,000km's is proof of that), have the power saving mode on, temp set not to use my engergy and in winter we are often at 285 Wh/km which means at best we will get 235km's on a 90% charge, or some 20% less than what the car says it will do when set to typical (not rated) range.

So yeah...no good.

 

[RichardV]

We do not us NEDC here. WLTP is the standard. And a misunderstood one. WLTP is not meant to be the vehicle’s range in “real world” driving (whatever/ that might be) but is a standardised means of comparison between different vehicles.

We don't now, but we did until around late 2019. Prior to that, the ADR used the NEDC cycle

"Australian Design Rule (ADR) 81/02 requires that fuel consumption and CO2 emissions be determined according to the NEDC test cycle."

What is the Worldwide Harmonised Light Vehicle Test Procedure (WLTP)? | Practical Motoring

The Worldwide Harmonised Light Vehicle Test Procedure is now in-force in Europe but what is it? Here’s everything you need to know about it.

practicalmotoring.com.au

Fuel economy testing: What is WLTP and how does it work?

Take a look at the new rules, and what they mean for carmakers in Australia.

www.drive.com.au

Agree - it appears to be the most accurate of the bunch. The PRC standard "CLTC" is the most ridiculous of the lot. It must be done downhill with a tailwind

My October 2021 build November 2021 delivered 60kWh SR+(yes it was that quick), has a 556km sticker rating. The WLTP rating at the time was I think quoted at 490km in the order process with the in car EPAish rating starting at 439km and now down to 419km. I assume the 556km figure on the sticker was the NEDC figure. So I think it was not until sometime in 2022 that we stopped the use of NEDC.