Tesla Supercharger network

[Gwgan]

I am so glad to see a Supercharger going up in Maine--makes it possible to connect to the rest of the network from home and will give tourists a leg up on visits. It makes sense that some areas like mid/northern Maine would be late in the rollout since it seems SC's go where the electrons are (the south and Edmonton to Winnipeg soon?):

 

[AudubonB]

Overlaying the SpCs on that luminous map brings home to me that amazing item that has been discussed in other context in any number of other arguments.

Look at the light concentrations where there are no SpCs: we have the Eagle Ford (arc in S.Texas), W.Texas/Permian Basin, N.Dakota/Williston, and Alberta oil sands. All locations using gazilliabobs of electricity in the form just of light to produce fossil fuels.

 

[dhanson865]

Overlaying the SpCs on that luminous map brings home to me that amazing item that has been discussed in other context in any number of other arguments.

Look at the light concentrations where there are no SpCs: we have the Eagle Ford (arc in S.Texas), W.Texas/Permian Basin, N.Dakota/Williston, and Alberta oil sands. All locations using gazilliabobs of electricity in the form just of light to produce fossil fuels.

Is that El Paso all alone there in West Texas with no SC route to it?

also the entire block that includes West TN/Arkansas/northern Mississippi stands out as populated but it looks like on the coming soon list Mississippi gets two SC locations soon well before the West Texas fix.

edit: Jackson, MS and Slidel, LA so technically one is in LA not MS.

That will still leave the West TN/AR hole wide open.

 

[wart]

Is that El Paso all alone there in West Texas with no SC route to it?

El Paso and Juarez. It's essentially one large metro area with a national border running through it.

 

[Doug Martoccia]

I'd like to see an overlay of Superchargers against a national map of owner addresses. Maybe when Tesla sells its 100,000 EV.

 

[wdolson]

Is that El Paso all alone there in West Texas with no SC route to it?

also the entire block that includes West TN/Arkansas/northern Mississippi stands out as populated but it looks like on the coming soon list Mississippi gets two SC locations soon well before the West Texas fix.

edit: Jackson, MS and Slidel, LA so technically one is in LA not MS.

That will still leave the West TN/AR hole wide open.

Big blob of light around Calgary with no SC, but I suspect part of the blob is the oil fields. SC coverage on I-5 in Oregon and Washington is a bit thin too.

 

[TXjak]

El Paso and Juarez. It's essentially one large metro area with a national border running through it.

Even on the latest 2016 map, there is still a 240 mile gap between El Paso and Fort Stockton on I-10. There's a 210 mile gap between El Paso and Pecos, TX, taking I-10 and I-20.

Van Horn TX would seem to be the obvious place to break up these gaps.

There is a 170 mile gap between Deming, NM, and Benson, AZ, on I-10 west of El Paso.

 

[Rocky_H]

There is a 170 mile gap between Deming, NM, and Benson, AZ

I think the word there is “distance”, not “gap”. You don’t HAVE to drive 90 mph.

 

[David99]

I think the word there is “distance”, not “gap”. You don’t HAVE to drive 90 mph.

TXjak has a 60. 170 miles is a stretch on a 60. Bad weather and a Model S 60 that lost some range over time will have a hard time doing that. You'd have to charge to 100% which takes 80-90 min even on a Supercharger and drive very careful and then you still have almost no buffer. From his point of view it kind of is a gap.

 

[TXjak]

TXjak has a 60. 170 miles is a stretch on a 60. Bad weather and a Model S 60 that lost some range over time will have a hard time doing that. You'd have to charge to 100% which takes 80-90 min even on a Supercharger and drive very careful and then you still have almost no buffer. From his point of view it kind of is a gap.

Right. I consider anything over about 150 miles a gap. One has to wonder whether Model 3 owners will consider it a gap too. Some gaps can be hypermiled if you're careful.

By the way, the EVtripPlanner tells me that although it's 170 miles distance, it will take 180 to 190 RM at the speed limit, depending on which direction you travel.

 

[Andyw2100]

By the way, the EVtripPlanner tells me that although it's 170 miles distance, it will take 180 to 190 RM at the speed limit, depending on which direction you travel.

I just wanted to point out that unless you have messed around with the speed multiplier, the speed EV Trip Planner is using is not the speed limit, but rather some average speed of traffic it estimates for that route. You can see the actual speed estimate for any leg by selecting the "Steps" tab. You can modify the speed using the speed multiplier to increase or decrease the speed.

 

[Cosmacelf]

Interesting article talking about the challenges BMW/VW have had with Chargepoint in finding locations to put high speed chargers. Echos of what Tesla has been going through.

BMW Charging Infrastructure Discussions From LA Auto Show - Part 1

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Btw, in California there are these great rest stops along the freeways that have restrooms, vending machines, picnic tables and lots and lots of parking. Anyone know why Tesla hasn't been able to get some Superchargers placed at them?

 

[Lloyd]

Great Idea, but most rest stops are semi-remote, and may not have access to the power required for multiple superchargers.

 

[wayner]

Btw, in California there are these great rest stops along the freeways that have restrooms, vending machines, picnic tables and lots and lots of parking. Anyone know why Tesla hasn't been able to get some Superchargers placed at them?

These are available here in Ontario where they are called OnRoute. There are various reasons why they don't have SCs, including exclusive licensing for automotive services being sold to a gasoline retailer. They may also not have proximity to higher capacity electric lines that would be needed for an SC site.

 

[PeterK]

Also the states have differing views on EVs and Tesla. Connecticut has 6 plazas (3 each north and south sides) with Superchargers and New Hampshire has Superchargers in the Hooksett N/S areas, but the Massachusetts Turnpike has none. I heard from someone in the charger business that MA didn't want to be seen as providing facilities that are only for wealthy people who could afford Teslas.

 

[mmccord]

There are SCs in rest areas on the NJ turnpike also. I'm a big fan of those as opposed to Paramus / hamilton / edison, because I don't waste a lot of time off the highway on local roads.

 

[Kevin Harney]

Recent email from TM might show some hints of future progress on the east coast for those snooping for new sites. I know they are making good progress and I am glad they respond to requests. Seems part form letter and part tailored which I feel both appropriate and efficient. Hoping that they continue to listen and respond as they grow.

Thank you for checking in. In addition to enabling new routes and long distance travel, we are focused on building additional Superchargers along or near our most popular stations to support the growing number of Model S and Model X on the road. We feel it is important to relieve congestion at existing sites to ensure that when any Tesla owner travels, they find their charging experience to be convenient and easy. We’re committed to keeping the quality of your charging experience at a high standard while expanding the network. There are a number of scenarios that can affect the timeline for a new site but we are committed to establishing the network throughout the United States.

In your last correspondence, you cited a few routes that were important to you, and we’re happy to share that we’ve made significant progress on almost every route you mentioned. I-81, I-80, and I-76 all have several sites in or nearing the construction phase and we opened a new station in Binghamton, NY near the intersection of I-88 and I-86. It can be hard to see the progress we’ve made on other routes before permits are filed, however we are finalizing the location selection at several sites along I-20, I-44 and I-55. Permits and construction will follow soon after.

We appreciate your ongoing patience and support for Tesla and our Supercharger technology.

Thank you,
The Tesla Supercharger Team

 

[MorrisonHiker]

Recent email from TM might show some hints of future progress on the east coast for those snooping for new sites. I know they are making good progress and I am glad they respond to requests. Seems part form letter and part tailored which I feel both appropriate and efficient. Hoping that they continue to listen and respond as they grow.

Thank you for checking in. In addition to enabling new routes and long distance travel, we are focused on building additional Superchargers along or near our most popular stations to support the growing number of Model S and Model X on the road. We feel it is important to relieve congestion at existing sites to ensure that when any Tesla owner travels, they find their charging experience to be convenient and easy. We’re committed to keeping the quality of your charging experience at a high standard while expanding the network. There are a number of scenarios that can affect the timeline for a new site but we are committed to establishing the network throughout the United States.

In your last correspondence, you cited a few routes that were important to you, and we’re happy to share that we’ve made significant progress on almost every route you mentioned. I-81, I-80, and I-76 all have several sites in or nearing the construction phase and we opened a new station in Binghamton, NY near the intersection of I-88 and I-86. It can be hard to see the progress we’ve made on other routes before permits are filed, however we are finalizing the location selection at several sites along I-20, I-44 and I-55. Permits and construction will follow soon after.

We appreciate your ongoing patience and support for Tesla and our Supercharger technology.

Thank you,
The Tesla Supercharger Team

Still nothing on I-76 and I-80 out west. :frown:

 

[wdolson]

Interesting article talking about the challenges BMW/VW have had with Chargepoint in finding locations to put high speed chargers. Echos of what Tesla has been going through.

BMW Charging Infrastructure Discussions From LA Auto Show - Part 1

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Btw, in California there are these great rest stops along the freeways that have restrooms, vending machines, picnic tables and lots and lots of parking. Anyone know why Tesla hasn't been able to get some Superchargers placed at them?

Most of them probably don't have the power infrastructure nearby they need. Superchargers need access to some hefty power lines and most CA rest stops are too remote to have more than minimal power run to them.

 

[Benz]

Update including November 28th, 2015:

North America
2012: 0 + 0 + 2 + 7 = 9
2013: 0 + 2 + 11 + 28 = 41
2014: 32 + 16 + 19 + 35 = 102
2015: 42 + 19 + 22 + 18 = 101
Total: 9 + 41 + 102 + 101 = 253

Europe
2013: 0 + 0 + 6 + 8 = 14
2014: 0 + 10 + 44 + 54 = 108
2015: 19 + 19 + 32 + 11 = 81
Total: 14 + 108 + 81 = 203

Asia Pacific (Currently: China, Japan, Australia)
2014: 0 + 3 + 16 + 39 = 58
2015: 15 + 5 + 15 + 12 = 47
Total: 58 + 47 = 105

Global total: 253 + 203 + 105 = 561

2012 Global total: 9 + 0 + 0 = 9
2013 Global total: 41 + 14 + 0 = 55
2014 Global total: 102 + 108 + 58 = 268
2015 Global total so far: 101 + 81 + 47 = 229

Q1 2013 total: 0 + 0 + 0 = 0
Q2 2013 total: 2 + 0 + 0 = 2
Q3 2013 total: 11 + 6 + 0 = 17
Q4 2013 total: 28 + 8 + 0 = 36

Q1 2014 total: 32 + 0 + 0 = 32
Q2 2014 total: 16 + 10 + 3 = 29
Q3 2014 total: 19 + 44 + 16 = 79
Q4 2014 total: 35 + 54 + 39 = 128

H1 2014: 32 + 29 = 61
H2 2014: 79 + 128 = 207

Q1 2015 total: 42 + 19 + 15 = 76
Q2 2015 total: 19 + 19 + 5 = 43
Q3 2015 total: 22 + 32 + 15 = 69 (in 92 days)
Q4 2015 (so far): 18 + 11 + 12 = 41 (in 59 days)

H1 2015: 76 + 43 = 119 (in 181 days)
H2 2015 (so far): 40 + 43 + 27 = 110 (in 151 days)

"229 new live Supercharger stations in 332 days (in 2015). The average is more than 0.6897 per day (in 2015)". That looks like the going average these days. The average in 2014 was 0.7342 (= 268/365). And that still is extraordinary progress, although the average in 2015 (so far) is lower than the average in 2014.

Update including December 16th, 2015:

North America
2012: 0 + 0 + 0 + 7 = 7
2013: 0 + 2 + 13 + 28 = 43
2014: 32 + 16 + 19 + 35 = 102
2015: 42 + 19 + 22 + 22 = 105
Total: 9 + 41 + 102 + 101 = 257

Europe
2013: 0 + 0 + 6 + 8 = 14
2014: 0 + 10 + 44 + 53 = 107
2015: 19 + 19 + 32 + 16 = 86
Total: 14 + 108 + 81 = 207

Asia Pacific (Currently: China, Japan, Australia)
2014: 0 + 3 + 16 + 39 = 58
2015: 15 + 5 + 15 + 12 = 47
Total: 58 + 47 = 105

Global total: 257 + 207 + 105 = 569

2012 Global total: 7 + 0 + 0 = 7
2013 Global total: 43 + 14 + 0 = 57
2014 Global total: 102 + 107 + 58 = 267
2015 Global total so far: 105 + 86 + 47 = 238

Q1 2013 total: 0 + 0 + 0 = 0
Q2 2013 total: 2 + 0 + 0 = 2
Q3 2013 total: 13 + 6 + 0 = 19
Q4 2013 total: 28 + 8 + 0 = 36

Q1 2014 total: 32 + 0 + 0 = 32
Q2 2014 total: 16 + 10 + 3 = 29
Q3 2014 total: 19 + 44 + 16 = 79
Q4 2014 total: 35 + 53 + 39 = 127

H1 2014: 32 + 29 = 61
H2 2014: 79 + 128 = 206

Q1 2015 total: 42 + 19 + 15 = 76
Q2 2015 total: 19 + 19 + 5 = 43
Q3 2015 total: 22 + 32 + 15 = 69 (in 92 days)
Q4 2015 (so far): 22 + 16 + 12 = 50 (in 77 days)

H1 2015: 76 + 43 = 119 (in 181 days)
H2 2015 (so far): 44 + 48 + 27 = 119 (in 169 days)

"238 new live Supercharger stations in 350 days (in 2015). The average is more than 0.6800 per day (in 2015)". That looks like the going average these days. The average in 2014 was 0.7315 (= 267/365). And that still is extraordinary progress, although the average in 2015 (so far) is lower than the average in 2014.