I am coming to the conclusion that things are going to be pretty meh for much of the remainder of the year. Too many dont see the S curve and simply think that as soon as legacy automakers want to take over the market they will simply throw a switch. They think FSD is a fools errand, bitcoin sale in Q1 was desperate method to be profitable in the quarter, S/X refresh shows Tesla still is mature when it comes to releasing products, etc. etc.
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Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable
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Don TLR
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The very detailed Joe Tegtmeyer said first casting complete in Austin this morning.
I like to start the day off watching Randy’s videos as he is there typically at the end of the day and Joe gets the morning shift.
I like to start the day off watching Randy’s videos as he is there typically at the end of the day and Joe gets the morning shift.
Bitcoin and other crypto are not aligned with Tesla mission statement at the moment ... Elon will move to rectify the situation
Things that were once impossible become possible.
The question is always have the stars aligned such that something once impossible has become possible? I use the term "stars aligned" in the roughly technical sense: The conjunction of a set of trajectories relevant to a particular outcome. In the case of deep sea mining, that would include things like the value of the minerals, the pace of robotics development, and so on—but I’m really trying to communicate a couple of points on the general case.
It makes me skeptical of @StealthP3D’s approach to assessing innovation when he says:
It is often, usually even, folks from the "outside" that drive transformative innovation. Experts very often view probable progress in their field linearly—meaning too conservatively—including engineers, especially those in a group. Elon Musk did not get an engineering degree; neither did Steve Jobs nor did Bill Gates. This is not news.
What is? Experts are likely not becoming (much) quicker to appreciate the changes in an innovative landscape, yet these landscapes are changing (much) more rapidly. This suggest to me that investors will need to look even more often to outsiders—especially in those early stages.
Also, it behooves us to show a little compassion when dealing with innovators and their innovations. I’ve been on the side of an "outsider" advocating this idea or that innovation: That is hard especially when facing engineers (or a spouse) being "skeptical" or "practical" or "realistic." It can drain the life out of you because, as they say, if many get it, it’s probably too late.
I’m not saying to go easy on people’s ideas (I’ve also been on the other side—evaluating innovators and ideas and quite a few). I’m saying be mindful of what they are expending and investing when they are speaking to you. Try to give them something in return (you can give a little energy back, maybe some encouragement or gently plant a seed for a change of direction), particularly because you’re not going to invest/participate in the vast majority of cases.
We need all the innovators we can get after all. We can all can become better investors as well better participants in the innovation ecosystem.
insaneoctane
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The BTC suspension is a drag and creates some confusion in the short term...but it is 100% in alignment with the mission and I consider it righting the ship. Isn’t that what captains who don’t hit icebergs do?
As a stock holder, I am puzzled by the statement that Bitcoin will not be sold. Is there not a fiduciary conflict to categorically state that no matter the situation (loss maybe), the asset/investment will not be sold? It would seem better to say that all assets are regularly reviewed. Pompliano rushed on CNBC today and stated that "EM between Tesla, SpaceX and personally owns billions of dollars of Bitcoin". It all seems so unnecessarily conflicted.
Short lived bounces for sure. Some headline stocks are up. Everything else continues to get crushed.
I got red across the board. Doesn't help that I invest in renewable world for the future.
I mean in this market....
EDIT: Also volumes are missing in all the individual stocks. The QQQs show above average, but most stocks tracking at or below average. Capitulations don't tend to happen unless we see above average volume. This has been a continuous buyer strike for the most part since February. At least for equities. Not NFTs
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I got red across the board. Doesn't help that I invest in renewable world for the future.
I mean in this market....
EDIT: Also volumes are missing in all the individual stocks. The QQQs show above average, but most stocks tracking at or below average. Capitulations don't tend to happen unless we see above average volume. This has been a continuous buyer strike for the most part since February. At least for equities. Not NFTs
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I try to keep up with the bear thesis from time to time to validate my long term TSLA hold position. One such article that I came across is from Seeking Alpha. I am aware this is one of favorite platforms for TSLAQ. This article speculates that the rise in Tesla price last was due to a gamma squeeze and that the gamma squeeze will unwind dropping the price. Any experts that care to comment on this as I do know much about options or its impact on share price to figure out if there is any basis for this.
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Tesla Stock: Beware Of The Unwinding Of The Gamma Squeeze (NASDAQ:TSLA)
Tesla and other EV shares have been under selling pressure in the last three months; the EV bubble is slowly deflating. Read this article to learn how a gamma squeeze may be in play soon.
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Sell order in at $8008.5
AMC is heavily shorted and has a bunch of WSB type folks pushing it.
Rough week. Like getting crushed like a soufflé under a sledgehammer.
Who all just divested out of $TSA because of $BTC rage and threw it into $AMC instead
Indeed, the Tesla adventure with bitcoins may have led to concerns by some institutional and retail investors, along with potential car customers. A stronger board of directors would likely have overruled corporate involvement with such uncertain, volatile and environmentally questionable currency. I suspect that the halting of acceptance of cryptocurrency for car purchases may soon be followed by the divesture of such holdings in the Tesla treasury, and perhaps even the ending of Elon's tweets about the subject.
My problem is the whipsaw positions. BTC environmental fleas are well known. Either you agree with them, or you side with the argument that they are exaggerated and that everything costs energy.
The idea that Tesla first poured money in crypto and then started looking around for issues with it... this really bothers me. It makes no sense.
Gamma squeeze and the converse is a thing, and as the stock drops there's no doubt that delta-hedging on ATM positions that are now DOTM will happenI try to keep up with the bear thesis from time to time to validate my long term TSLA hold position. One such article that I came across is from Seeking Alpha. I am aware this is one of favorite platforms for TSLAQ. This article speculates that the rise in Tesla price last was due to a gamma squeeze and that the gamma squeeze will unwind dropping the price. Any experts that care to comment on this as I do know much about options or its impact on share price to figure out if there is any basis for this.
Tesla Stock: Beware Of The Unwinding Of The Gamma Squeeze (NASDAQ:TSLA)
Tesla and other EV shares have been under selling pressure in the last three months; the EV bubble is slowly deflating. Read this article to learn how a gamma squeeze may be in play soon.
But the oddest thing, and sorry, but I won't click in the article, maybe this is covered, is that $TSLA is not isolated, the whole EV/renewable sector has followed the sae trajectory, as far as I can tell without any regard to individual news, FUD or fundamentals of the stocks involved
So that begs the question whether it's a sector thing and hedges are doing this fake rotation that has been talked about so much - and seems pretty stupid given that EV/renewables are booming and the way ahead - or whether it is targeted at $TSLA and the rest that rode Tesla's coattails up are just now following $TSLA down?
Well, I admit it. I haven't been this bearish about the stock price (not the company) in forever. If FSD Beta doesn't just blow everyone's minds when it comes out late this year then we are in for a long slog. Just wondering when we start seeing PT decreases. The 1k targets seem impossible at this point.
If Bitcoin crashes, how will that affect Tesla stock, that might be motivating
some of the selling now.
some of the selling now.
That is very unlikely IMO. Big players have moved into BTC and spent lots of resources to sell to their clients or hold themselves. Absolute worst case Tesla winds back up at break even with their purchase.
That's what happens when all corp comm has to go through one man's twitter account, a man with a family and who runs several companies.
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