Sudre
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They cannot beat the Model 3 after all the money they have poured (I really wanted to type poored) into their BEV line up. They are hoping to compete in 2022....... until 2021 (or sooner) when they see the Model Y.
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Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable
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The ownership of the LA Times recently switched over. A dr purchased it and I bet he would be shocked to see what this reporter has been doing. It flies in the face of journalistic integrity. Anyone care to write the owner a letter? Happy to pay someone to do it.
Well, in my experience as a car repair shop owner (a long time ago) sometimes it is as much a 100x. For example we sold some nuts and bolts for $ 0.50 which left the manufacturer for $ $0.005 according to our supplier's invoice (which he accidentally left in one of the shipments). We paid $ 0.5 for them.
I'm not sure which feature of AP that report is targeting, but if I recall correctly, the self-driving part of AP wasn't released until 1 year later, October 2015. How does that skew his data?
I understand your stance here, and agree that, until we have some hard data on the Audi, any conclusions must be based on speculation. However, that may be we-informed speculation.
Nonetheless, I appreciate the desire for a data-centric discussion.
Here, however, is where you undermine yourself. You are speculating as to the motive of others and concluding that their argument must be based on vested interest. This is behavior similar to what you are arguing against... in implies bias.
On the contrary, there's some pretty compelling argument to be made that the energy -vs- power density differences between the packs (along with the reserve the Audi may have don't allow for the types of increases being claimed while at the same time providing similar cycle life.
So, perhaps Audi has some breakthrough chemistry nobody else seems to be aware of. Possible, but not likely. The other likely tradeoff is cycle life, which given the more "niche" this car may be, likely smaller production volumes, and ostensibly the lesser likelihood that these cars will incur similar miles driven as their Tesla counterparts makes it very resonable that Audi may just be willing to "eat" the packs that need to be replaces under warrantly.
If that indeed is the case that they are sacrificing cycle life for power density, then we aren't comparing apples-for-apples.
I suspect Dana and Russ are ready to roll with their articles on Bloomberg and LAT based on the shorts report on AP safety and how NHTSA has done flawed analysis. They are officially now working for the shorts.
A G650 left LA headed southwest bound, toward Australia/Samoa/Fiji. Out of radar coverage now. Anyone expecting Elon in the South Pacific? I know there’s some big energy storage projects there.
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Just thought I would raise awareness of this thread. I lost TMC 3 times in an hour including the review of this thread.... It is now daily for me.
Peeps will go elsewhere.
Just thought I would raise awareness of this thread. I lost TMC 3 times in an hour including the review of this thread.... It is now daily for me.
Peeps will go elsewhere.
There's a distinct lack of exponentiality to supercharger deployment to match overall sales. Is this just cash crunch caution or have they been holding off for v3 for a very long time? What has been the bottleneck? However many superchargers they put in, it's hard to get ahead of themselves too much given growth rate.
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He probably wants to load-up with more $TSLA before it takes off...
Or, like ARK, he’s switching to other high conviction stocks?
(Elon also mortgaged four other homes the day before the last SpaceX funding round)
Esme Es Mejor
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Pffft.
Tonight I charged my 2017 Nissan Leaf from 20% to 60% in less than 15 minutes— matching Audi’s charge rate in percentage terms.
On a vehicle that actually exists. On a charger that actually exists. Starting from a higher state of charge.
Sure, it added less than 43 miles of range, but drivers don’t care about range in the real world— they only care about percentages.
EM is sexting on twitter:
$TSLA to mars confirmed.
$TSLA to mars confirmed.
Wasn't he in Norway yesterday? Why would he fly back to LA if he wanted to fly to Australia? (Unless picking up staff or family).
I take your point about the percentages: a net 27kWh battery 0..80% in 30 min sounds excellent. Unfortunately the Leaf is passive-air cooled, infamously prone to heat-soak issues crippling charge rates, so underperforms in the summer with repeated fast-charging on the highway [a.k.a. #Rapidgate] and for the same reason tends to suffer hefty degradation within a few years. Thus I think it cannot fairly be compared to the Audi.
Also I'm sure many drivers (e.g. the type who buy Tesla) do care ardently about range and repeatability of charge rate, as those are vital statistics of long-distance driving.
Good question. He definitely flew back from Norway. And there was a flight plan from LAX to VNY. It could be a different G650 out over the pacific.
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