The EPA rated range is based on a mix. But even the highway test is not typical of what you would think: Detailed Test Information
The highway portion has an average speed of ~48 MPH:
Even the high speed portion averages ~48MPH:
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The highway portion has an average speed of ~48 MPH:
Even the high speed portion averages ~48MPH:
Interesting. I mean in reality any of the cars I have purchased in my lifetime have not been true to their EPA class, and have usually at least somewhat overstated their mileage ratings. I think that part wouldn't bother me much at all if I just had proper sensors on the car that actually made the auto driving work properly and the parking assist work. I mean what's the point of having parking assist or auto driving that I can't f
trust? Because than I can't, and shouldn't really ever relax at all with it. I might as well not have those features.
The crazy additional part is now after all this AI terminator chatter, wondering if at some point the car is going to decide it wants to go one way and I want to go the other- and it actually has the ability to wrest the wheel away from me? I guess all this talk about AI taking over (including from Elon himself in a recent shareholder report question and answer, mentioning that he was doing his best to make sure a terminator-like scenario did not happen- fully serious) makes me wonder if at some point I'm going to be arguing with the car about which way and how fast to go and the car is going to actually win. Not a relaxing driving mode.
Um. "Common knowledge" is as good as, "They say."
My personal experience is that I truly, duly have gotten, and continue to get, the rated EPA numbers on a 2018 M3 LR RWD (now traded in after 55k miles), a 2021 MY LR AWD, and a new 2023 M3 LR AWD. Sometimes somewhat better, sometimes somewhat worse, but pretty much centered.
About the only exception, I suppose, was the 2018 M3 which, not having a heat pump, did considerably worse during the winter (330 W-hr/mile vs. 260 W-hr/mile); but it wasn't like Tesla didn't warn people about that. But the EPA doesn't rate their numbers for winter driving and ICEs get worse during cold as well.
I don't consider myself a hypermiler.
So, that's a data point of one (1) person. Now, get verified large numbers of cars, how they were driven, and throw out that, "We're making stuff up! Here's our methodology! It shows that this car doesn't meet the EPA numbers!" crud that Consumer's Union and others push. That is, literally, comparing apples with oranges.
ChooseFreedom
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How can they use 48 mph on a highway? That's not even legal speed on an interstate, having a 55/70 min/max.
What are they considering a "highway"? It says a "mix of rural and interstate". Why combine those? That's stupid.
Why not just use mph? Do separate tests on an oval, with cruise set to 35, 45, 55, 65, whatever, and then just tell people those results. And then people can just adjust those results to their own real life driving.
There are just too many variables to ever have any good "average" real world examples.
But if a person knew their own rough habits, and then knew if they drove 65 for half their trip, they'd know the range of that half at least.
This is just typical government BS. How do we convolute these tests so we have so many possible options we can hire more people and keep them full of busy work. It's a complete waste.
i dunno the EPA graph looks alarmingly similar to my typical commute:
top speed ~78 average speed of 45.5 mph
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ChooseFreedom
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I'm sure it's similar to many. That's why they use it.
But it'll never be a true average for all. That's all I'm saying.
No one wants to do the research/work to get their own figures, so they just look at EPA and such. Then they get pissed when their experience doesn't match that figure.
The EPA supposedly did the same tests on Tesla and other EVs. I don't buy that bs (pardon) that other manufacturers decided on their own to list lower EPA numbers than they could just because they are so fair to consumers. The only realistic reason for that I see is that many other EVs are NOT as efficient as Tesla driving slowly in town. Maybe they have problems with energy recuperation, maybe they waste too much energy on other tasks unrelated to driving (hvac, computers, etc.). What I know is that if I drive Tesla in town at 40-45 mph average speed on dry 70F day, I consistently beat the rated Tesla range by a significant margin. Do we actually have a head-to-head comparison of a Tesla vs anything else (Mach-E, Ionic 5, etc) on city road efficiency?
Regarding marketing, I am more sorry for people who purchased Ford EVs buying into their marketing campaign that they have all country covered by EA and other chargers, so charging will be a non-issue. That was a devastating lie.
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The EPA publishes the test data, so you can make your own estimates based on drive pattern.
The Wh/mile are in the comments
UDDS urban
CVS 75 urban
20F cold (heater)
HWFE highway
SC03 high temp (air conditioning)
US06 high speed
For Range they run the charge depleting cycles of UDDS, highway, and 20 F
3 AWD and Performance
https://dis.epa.gov/otaqpub/display_file.jsp?docid=54290&flag=1
You'd think so, but the range test is almost completely different from the Wh/mile test, so the numbers don't correlate.
For an ICE, range = MPG * manufacturer reported tank size
i dont think that guy had a 82.5kwh battery either especially since he has the same specific tesla as me (21 MYLR)
For what it's worth... 2024 Model 3 Highland
Methodology:
Our Road-Trip Range Test, as a reminder, reflects real-world driving range using 95 percent of the battery capacity at a constant 70 mph on an out-and-back route, with climate control set to 72 degrees and the headlights, cruise control, and audio system on.
zoomer0056
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I didn't read it all ... too long. But it's a comparison between a Prius plug in hybrid and Tesla Highland. Like comparing a hot dog to a filet mignon.
Are you honestly saying that people wouldn't cross-shop a plug-in Prius with a Model 3 RWD priced around the same price -- especially for those apprehensive about going fully electric?
Ohhhhhkay
Before we settled on our Model Y, we looked at the ID.4 and the Highlander Hybrid. The $7,500 federal tax credit pushed us toward the Model Y.
EPA range is highway & city combined. Highway only at 70 is less. MT tests to 5% presumably indicated on display. EPA tests to physical battery empty, which is a few percent below 0 on display. (When new cars have a 4.5% buffer below 0).
Unfortunately EPA website doesn't make highway range or MPGe apparent, unlike ICE cars.
zoomer0056
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So you went with the filet mignon instead of the hot dog.Are you honestly saying that people wouldn't cross-shop a plug-in Prius with a Model 3 RWD priced around the same price -- especially for those apprehensive about going fully electric?
Ohhhhhkay
Before we settled on our Model Y, we looked at the ID.4 and the Highlander Hybrid. The $7,500 federal tax credit pushed us toward the Model Y.
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You understand that the Prius Prime XLE is over 40k, right? Model 3 standard range is about $31k after tax credit now. Also, honestly, no. When I was shopping in 2019 I tested both Model 3 and Prius (not Prime though). Prius was feeling cheap-cheap-cheap and about 20-year old tech. Sorry,Are you honestly saying that people wouldn't cross-shop a plug-in Prius with a Model 3 RWD priced around the same price -- especially for those apprehensive about going fully electric?
Ohhhhhkay
Before we settled on our Model Y, we looked at the ID.4 and the Highlander Hybrid. The $7,500 federal tax credit pushed us toward the Model Y.
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