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I think what they demo'ed is that they can defeat ESC and traction control. I think it's highly probable that they did this by tweaking sensors, not software.
From insideevs (Watch This Tweaked Tesla Model 3 Drift): "In order to get this Model 3 to drift, Sasha disables its electronic stability control and traction control systems, while leaving the anti-lock braking system intact. This is all part of a “defeat” system that Sasha and his team have been able to create."
An earlier article talks about their desire to get to the software in aspirational form (Mountain Pass Performance Uncorks Tesla Model 3 Performance & Takes To The Track (#CleanTechnica Exclusive) | CleanTechnica): "Cracking that nut is a big leap from where the team is today, as it will require that they effectively disconnect the car from Tesla’s servers and updates and load up their own software."
That's a huge engineering effort. If they were a "big leap" away on Jul. 7th, I doubt that they would have the software ready a month later.
BTW: If Tesla did the security right, this is an all-or-nothing deal. i.e., the only way to replace the software would be to replace it completely - which means recreating *everything* in the current software - it's not a matter of tweaking a module here or there. Any tampering should cause the software to be marked as invalid.
I'm highly skeptical that anyone will release third-party software without Tesla's cooperation. The closest that we might get is for people design overlay computers that manipulate the inputs from sensors to Tesla's hardware and get the software to behave a certain way based on the modified input values (e.g., tell the car it's not sliding, when it actually is). Since this is an extremely indirect form of control, the capabilities of those systems will be limited (and there are strategies Tesla can use to defeat this type of system).
I'd like to see Tesla enable an after-market, but so far there's no indication they have any intention to do so.
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At about 5:30 he mentions that the brakes have faded somewhat, AKA they're overheated to an degree which is exactly what the bumped up performance brakes are designed to address.
Daniel in SD
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Presumably they would load their own very basic software temporarily. You don't need your bluetooth connectivity or EAP at the track. I agree that it sounds very difficult without some sort of inside information.
Because he was also going for aggressive driving and not just drifting.
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Garlan Garner
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Now I’m really wondering if the P3D- with the newly announced aftermarket performance upgrade will be better and maybe even cheaper than the factory installed one. This could be possible if they found a way to ditch the 20s considering they are the least desired and one of the most expensive components of the performance upgrade package when looking at the standalone pricing. Anyway, there are so many possibilities that we will just be guessing about for who knows how long.
On a different note, Tesla mentioned they are working on an “aftermarket” performance upgrade package. How would you all interpret “aftermarket”? Could they be working with aftermarket part manufacturers on a completely different kit? Or could tesla parts that are installed after delivery be considered aftermarket? The latter doesn’t sound right to me.
On a different note, Tesla mentioned they are working on an “aftermarket” performance upgrade package. How would you all interpret “aftermarket”? Could they be working with aftermarket part manufacturers on a completely different kit? Or could tesla parts that are installed after delivery be considered aftermarket? The latter doesn’t sound right to me.
Garlan Garner
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I think aftermarket means:
An option to put something on your car......that TESLA won't install. Their service centers are totally swamped and they don't want to add anymore work to them.
This ride was too wild for me so I decided the easiest thing to do was get off. They let me downgrade my P3D- order to AWD even though delivery was scheduled for next week and I had a VIN so that's what I did. My wallet is $10,000 heavier so it kinda worked out. Good luck to everyone who are keeping their P3D- with whatever "aftermarket" upgrade kit Tesla ends up offering, I guess.
Perry
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Good for you and I don't mean it sarcastically. Tesla wants to play these unfair games then let them lose $10,000.
Great explanation on why you need big performance brakes for some casual drifting on a track.
Jedi2155
Model 3 has Arrived.
Good for you. I would've considered the same if I was so far along in the process. They just received a $76k check from my bank today....(I just checked the tracking number....). I was much further along in the process before they told me your car doesn't exist. To downgrade now would involve a lot of effort versus upgrade and just pay more down. Still, that 0-60s is 1s less and free supercharging yay!
Maximilien
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It looks like #2 may come true.
Tesla on Twitter
Tesla sounds like it may be in the Tesla Shop to satisfy the P3D- owners.
If I have to characterize Tesla(both car and company alike) like a human figure, it's like a smoking hot chick with HUGE mood swing now and then. It's never predictable.
Hi Folks...are the 20" wheels that bad from the range point of view?
I asked the delivery specialist and she told me it is just 2-3%?
On this Forum mostly I see 15% as the range hit. Not sure what to believe.
I'm caught between this "track mode" crossfire too. I placed the order for P3D- yesterday
before this news came.
If it is 2-3% hit I don't mind ordering the PUO. Even though I'm not planning to track I thought
it is a good option to have from the resale point of view.
I was originally thinking of upgrading to 19".
On the top of this..the delivery specialist says the delay because of the change is not predictable.
She is saying..it could be 2 days or 2 months.
I asked the delivery specialist and she told me it is just 2-3%?
On this Forum mostly I see 15% as the range hit. Not sure what to believe.
I'm caught between this "track mode" crossfire too. I placed the order for P3D- yesterday
before this news came.
If it is 2-3% hit I don't mind ordering the PUO. Even though I'm not planning to track I thought
it is a good option to have from the resale point of view.
I was originally thinking of upgrading to 19".
On the top of this..the delivery specialist says the delay because of the change is not predictable.
She is saying..it could be 2 days or 2 months.
Jedi2155
Model 3 has Arrived.
Except there are people like myself that ordered their car before any public mention of Track Mode. Tesla obviously knew about it and were developing it at the time I ordered. I would have potentially ordered the PUP if I had known about it. Other than the slight increase in top speed there was no indication of any difference in software.
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