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Keep in mind thought that the Model S price actually got increased to include Supercharger access and the Model X should have that included in the price as well. So if Tesla does not reduce the price next year you are actually paying a lot for those 400kWh. So it would not surprise me if the Model 3 comes with an access fee to support the expansion of the Network.It's under $50 in credits it's nearly negligible.
And where do they have those kinds of services?
Yes, I agree with this. and having it "option" will allow people that do not think they would ever user SC network to opt out of it completely and add it later if they choose toKeep in mind thought that the Model S price actually got increased to include Supercharger access and the Model X should have that included in the price as well. So if Tesla does not reduce the price next year you are actually paying a lot for those 400kWh. So it would not surprise me if the Model 3 comes with an access fee to support the expansion of the Network.
Another Supercharger rant. • /r/teslamotorsAnd where do they have those kinds of services?
The Model 3 is not a Toyota and the Model S is not a Lexus!Why wouldn't they continue to offer free supercharging to buyers of the Model S/X?
IMHO Tesla is setting themselves up for problems in the future for not differentiating between the Model 3 and their higher end models. To be blunt, the Model 3 is a Toyota and the other models are Lexus. The Model S/X is 2-3X what a Model 3 costs so you should be getting the white glove treatment for both supercharger and for service.
This would go against the wording in the announcement. Keep in mind supercharger expansion is relatively inexpensive. Maintenance and energy costs are hiccups especially as more and more people start using them.Keep in mind thought that the Model S price actually got increased to include Supercharger access and the Model X should have that included in the price as well. So if Tesla does not reduce the price next year you are actually paying a lot for those 400kWh. So it would not surprise me if the Model 3 comes with an access fee to support the expansion of the Network.
This would go against the wording in the announcement. Keep in mind supercharger expansion is relatively inexpensive. Maintenance and energy costs are hiccups especially as more and more people start using them.
If just $500 of the model 3 base price were allotted towards supercharger expansion then they'd be able to continue expanding at double their current rate. Over the course of 3-4 years you'd have enough to build more superchargers than needed especially in the US so even $500 is overkill especially with people paying for their energy usage.
Keep in mind it was already mentioned that the supercharger network was sustainable indefinitely because costs were negligible. This will change with Model 3 of course and with self-driving as there will be considerably more use. This will not alleviate supercharger congestion. If you car is out making money and needs to charge itself then how will it do this without a supercharger and robotic snake? There's no home robotic snake unless you're sporting a plugless wireless charging system.
I can see there are already some people freaking out... overall this should be cheaper than the current supercharging model. No worries.
I think it brings home the point that the SC network is intended for trips and everyday charging should be done at home/workI agree that this move alleviates congestion which otherwise would have been an issue, but i dont think that is the primary motivator in this move. just my opinion.
Yes it will. The blog post says "For Teslas ordered after January 1, 2017", if they were going to exclude the Model 3 it would specify that it was only for the Model S and X.I wonder if the model 3 will come with ANY free credits-these might only be for the current models
You're assuming that this is a new development and that they didn't know that this was going to be their method going forward. It's more likely that the price of the Model 3 already had this built into it. Especially since it was a couple of months ago that Elon first said free SC for life would not be included with the Model 3, and even at the first reveal he strongly hinted at it.Keep in mind thought that the Model S price actually got increased to include Supercharger access and the Model X should have that included in the price as well. So if Tesla does not reduce the price next year you are actually paying a lot for those 400kWh. So it would not surprise me if the Model 3 comes with an access fee to support the expansion of the Network.
You are not going to have to pay to "enable" super charging. When they say that they all come with the hardware they are just making a distinction now so that people realize they have the hardware but not the free for life access.Yes, I agree with this. and having it "option" will allow people that do not think they would ever user SC network to opt out of it completely and add it later if they choose to
this may be why they indicate all Teslas will have the "Hardware" come standard (not enabled)
I wonder if it will even be that complicated. Right now the car tells the SC if it is allowed or not. I don't see why still wouldn't be the case going forward. Your car could be given the details of your SC account nightly so that it always knows how kWh you have on your account, whether free or paid for. That way it would be able to tell the SC it's ok, and it would then stop the SC when it hits the number of kWh that it is allowed.I don't think we're going to go that route. Currently, Teslas talk to the Superchargers during the initial handshake. Right now, during that handshake, the Supercharger is looking for a "yes" to the question of your car being enabled for Supercharging (because there ARE a handful out there that aren't).
In the near future, the Superchargers will ask "is this a pre-2017 car?" "is supercharging enabled?" if it's post-2017 "are there credits in the account?"
At that point, if you don't have credits in your account, the car will still take a charge, and the credit card you've tied in to your MyTesla account will be charged for the electrons, maybe even after-the-fact.....to streamline the process "at the pump".
you don't want to deploy thousands of point of sale terminals at this stage in the game. all of that computing will be done at the mothership.
I wonder if it will even be that complicated. Right now the car tells the SC if it is allowed or not. I don't see why still wouldn't be the case going forward. Your car could be given the details of your SC account nightly so that it always knows how kWh you have on your account, whether free or paid for. That way it would be able to tell the SC it's ok, and it would then stop the SC when it hits the number of kWh that it is allowed.
I'd expect there to be some way to get more while you're at the SC too. But, this would just be the same as buying some prepaid kWh and then your car getting the new allowed amount and telling the SC it's good to go.
Doing it that way means they don't need to do anything to the way the SC operates, all it does is rely on the car to say it's ok and when to stop.
I would expect that Tesla will keep the free forever for the original owner of pre-2017 cars. However when a owner of a pre-2017 sells the car/trade in the new owner of the car will need to pay for SC access.