What's included in the non-Premium Package?

[ChrisH]

They will have to produce it sooner than that to keep sales going.

No crash test will be needed for these cosmetic changes.

I could see a non-PUP being okay to be pushed until the second half of 2019. I originally wanted an SR PUP. I think enough people will be willing to spend $40k

 

[Jedi2155]

If the body of the car doesn't change just the interior materials not related to driving, not sure why they would be doing another crash test, would they? But maybe the roof would negate that.

The roof is my main thought. More importantly, the SR battery 100% require a second set of crash tests.

 

[dsvick]

Searching the manual for references to the premium package, it looks like the following are all specific to it, there may be more that isn't listed specifically, like the roof and seat material.

• power adjustable steering wheel
• auto tilt in reverse mirrors
• power folding mirrors (so no auto fold either)
• storage pockets on the back of the front seats
• heated outside mirrors
• power seats
• "signature" DRLs
• fog lights
• heated rear seats
• immersive sound

 

[adaptabl]

The roof is my main thought. More importantly, the SR battery 100% require a second set of crash tests.

I don't think there are different crash test on the different Model S battery configurations. The case is the same just different numbers of cells in the pack.

 

[animorph]

Can you configure a "non premium" X or S? A quick review of the website makes it seem as if each has a premium package, but you can't configure one without it. As somesone else noted these are $80,000+ vehicles, heated seats shouldn't be an option.

There used to be a non-premium X and S. The current models have the previous premium stuff as standard. I think that happened just mid this year. The front seats were always heated (as of 2017 anyway), but the base model did not have heated rear seats or steering wheel. Had to get the Subzero package for that ($1000).

 

[cwerdna]

A number of people has said no heated seats, and I definitely don't agree with that.
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Heated seats WILL remain as every electric car since the 90s had them, and is pretty much a requirement to maintain range. It does not sound particularly expensive to add to the front.

On the latter part, nope. 2011 Leaf didn't come with heated seats nor heated steering wheel. Some folks retrofitted heated seats into their '11 Leafs.

They became a forced included feature on 2012: 2012 Nissan Leaf gets higher price tag, more standard equipment thru model year 2017. However, on '16 and '17 they started not including rear heated seats except on SL trim.

Supposedly, there was a cold weather package available before, but I'm not clear how common it was. The folks that retrofitted their '11s were in California.

Heated seats are also not standard on the '18 Leaf. See specs tab of 2018 Nissan LEAF Press Kit and 2019 Nissan LEAF Press Kit. '19 only had 1 change AFAIK: rear door alert. To get front heated seats on '18 and '19 Leaf S and SV trims, you need an "all weather package". US '18 and '19 Leafs cannot be equipped w/rear heated seats.

Also, from looking at 2019 Bolt EV Electric Car: An Affordable All-Electric Car Specs and Build and Price, it looks like they're not standard on the '19 Bolt either. They come with Premier but for LT, they're optional (via comfort and convenience package).

 

[cwerdna]

Agreed. There was not even official nhtsa crash testing if the model 3 until a year after it went on sale....

The published NHSTA crash tests w/star ratings (e.g. 2018 TESLA MODEL 3 4 DR RWD) involve a 35 mph frontal crash test + others.

I've seen the bolded part of Autotrader - page unavailable says elsewhere before:

Note that federal law requires all vehicles to pass a 30-mph frontal crash test before they can be sold in the United States. The separate NCAP frontal crash tests are performed at 35 mph to make differences between vehicles more apparent. The full-width crash test maximizes energy absorption of the entire frontal car structure and illustrates the accompanying stresses on the vehicle's passenger restraints.

The government, which typically picks out and pays for its crash test vehicles at new-car dealer lots, has a "fixed budget" for testing and thus can't perform NCAP tests on every vehicle, NHTSA spokesman Tim Hurd said. So, the agency seeks to select vehicles that are new to the market, substantially redesigned, likely to be popular with consumers and/or equipped with new safety features. However, if an automaker is eager for one of its vehicles to be tested or re-tested by NHTSA, it is acceptable for the company to pay for the vehicle that the agency crash tests, Hurd said.

 

[ebmcs03]

$35k is nothing now a days. It shouldn’t include any of those things it really should be what it’s listed. No heated seats! No folding mirrors! No center console storage. Empty hole like the early Model S. Heck it shouldn’t even have Nav!!!! Lots of other luxury cars nav is a $2k option!

I paid too much for my model 3 to have all that. It should not be included in the cheap $35k version.

 

[ChrisH]

The published NHSTA crash tests w/star ratings (e.g. 2018 TESLA MODEL 3 4 DR RWD) involve a 35 mph frontal crash test + others.

I've seen the bolded part of Autotrader - page unavailable says elsewhere before:

That’s weird. What’s the point of having the two different ones?

 

[cwerdna]

That’s weird. What’s the point of having the two different ones?

I don't know the definitive answer off the top of my head but How Crash Testing Works seems to explain it. The 30 mph is a requirement, a part of FMVSS and sounds like a pass/fail whereas the 35 mph NCAP test was started later.

It is rare that a car fails the FMVSS requirements, so to challenge the carmakers even more -- and to provide valuable information to consumers buying cars -- the NHTSA started their New Car Assessment Program (NCAP). NCAP crashes cars at 35 mph (56 kph) in both frontal and side impact, and rates the cars based on how likely the occupants are to be injured during a crash.

 

[EVnut]

• Heated seats WILL remain as every electric car since the 90s had them, and is pretty much a requirement to maintain range.

For a data point, my highest-end, fully-loaded 2011 LEAF did not have heated seats. I added them aftermarket.

 

[rdunniii]

Note that the dash panel of the PUP white interior is just plastic.

 

[adaptabl]

Note that the dash panel of the PUP white interior is just plastic.

That's an upgrade to the ugly looking wood veneer.

 

[ChrisH]

That's an upgrade to the ugly looking wood veneer.

That’s subjective. I think the wood veneer looks nice with the black interior. Would not look good with the white. I also think I prefer the wood over the carbon fiber wrap

 

[voip-ninja]

Note that the dash panel of the PUP white interior is just plastic.

I'm not sure if it's plastic or plastic wrapped aluminum.

 

[Trevor B]

That's an upgrade to the ugly looking wood veneer.

Speak for yourself

 

[PremiumPackage]

$35k is nothing now a days. It shouldn’t include any of those things it really should be what it’s listed. No heated seats! No folding mirrors! No center console storage. Empty hole like the early Model S. Heck it shouldn’t even have Nav!!!! Lots of other luxury cars nav is a $2k option!

I paid too much for my model 3 to have all that. It should not be included in the cheap $35k version.

I think you're making a joke here, but at the risk of being an Internet Idiot myself, you can outfit a $31K Camry with nav, leather, and heated seats. And all Toyotas these days (even my rental Corolla a few weeks ago) have dynamic cruise control and lane departure warning - it ain't autopilot but it ain't bad either!

 

[ChrisH]

I think you're making a joke here, but at the risk of being an Internet Idiot myself, you can outfit a $31K Camry with nav, leather, and heated seats. And all Toyotas these days (even my rental Corolla a few weeks ago) have dynamic cruise control and lane departure warning - it ain't autopilot but it ain't bad either!

I think Tesla has to decide if they want to remain a “luxury” car maker though. I believe the “average” new vehicle is $35,000 these days. That includes all the economobiles and all of the luxury cars.

 

[MP3Mike]

Heated seats WILL remain as every electric car since the 90s had them, and is pretty much a requirement to maintain range. It does not sound particularly expensive to add to the front.

The heated seats will stay in the front, but the rear seats will not be heated without the PUP.

 

[Knightshade]

I think Tesla has to decide if they want to remain a “luxury” car maker though. I believe the “average” new vehicle is $35,000 these days.

Sort of... that price includes things like full sized pickup trucks and most SUVs all well above 35k to cheat the average a bit.

The average regular mid-sized car is only $25,776 (as of March 2018)

In contrast the average entry-level luxury car is $41,834 (as of March 2018), the average "regular" luxury car is $58,735, and the average high performance car $96,860.