Garlan Garner
Banned
I wouldn't care if it were a 10K battery....so long as I could get 220 miles.
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Garlan Garner
Banned
You are exactly right.
People care about distance not size. I believe the facts that Tesla stated about the model 3. The science of it can remain a secret of Tesla for all I care.
int32_t
Tesla Spotter
EVs always get better city mileage than highway mileage, regardless of air drag, because of regen. This phenomenon occurs in hybrids as well. For fossil cars, stopping is purely throwing energy away, while Teslas can recoup some of that energy and use it again later.
Honestly, I'm disappointed CAD isn't closer to USD, because if that were the case I could almost stretch for the big battery. But after I talked myself into realizing that 340 km on a charge is nothing to sneeze at, I'm happier with the base model. Seriously, how often do you need that full charge? As others have said, for the times you need more -- stop and plug in. That way you've saved your pocketbook a ton.
Honestly, I'm disappointed CAD isn't closer to USD, because if that were the case I could almost stretch for the big battery. But after I talked myself into realizing that 340 km on a charge is nothing to sneeze at, I'm happier with the base model. Seriously, how often do you need that full charge? As others have said, for the times you need more -- stop and plug in. That way you've saved your pocketbook a ton.
If you are disappointed with the base model 3 you were dropped on your head as a baby.
As long as you don't include Teslas in that 'always'. e.g. Model S P100D 92 city 105 highway.
Thank you kindly
Teslas except the Model 3. It appears the Model 3 will have better city range than highway range.
Dynastar
Member
I think the base model is perfectly fine. Not great, but fine. We're going to be a two-3s family, so we'll have one $35k base model for around town and occasional trips and one initial-production LR for road tripping. Best of both worlds.
EVNow
Well-Known Member
I'm not disappointed in base range - but I'm not happy about the $9k upgrade tag. That's nearly $400/kWh.
It is only recommended not to let your batteries sit at 100% for long periods, there is nothing wrong with charging to 100% and driving fairly soon after it is done charging.
The range is based on the EPA test cycles which use a mix of high (highway) and low (city) speed driving.
If you have that much range anxiety, perhaps you shouldn't be driving with such a heavy foot.
From what I understand, someone correct me where I go wrong, cold weather range loss is from two main things, running the heater, which you already mentioned and from the battery not being warmed up. You can alleviate that by preconditioning the battery before driving. In fact, from point number 1, charge to 100% right before you leave and the battery will be all warmed up for you, you can even preheat the interior while it's plugged in and save running the heater that much more.
Improper upkeep of your car is your own problem.
From everything I've read most people experience a drop of 2% - 4% over the first year or two, not the first two months.
If range is your primary concern then perhaps the model 3 isn't the car for you. No car is right for everyone, if this one really won't do it for you, or you have that much range anxiety, then either get the larger battery, a different car, or wait for one the meets your needs.
Here's one way to think about it. The Model 3 standard range will drive at least 150 miles in pretty much all circumstances. Figure out how many days a year do you drive further than 150 miles. You can then extrapolate how many times over the course of ownership you would want extra range and calculate how much per long trip you will be paying to get the longer range car.
There's more to it than that.
- Colder air is denser, which means greater aerodynamic drag losses.
- Cold tires means stiffer rubber, which contributes to increased rolling resistance. (And so would lower tire pressures if you don't add air when temperatures drop.)
- Even cold lubricants will have higher viscosities and add some (minor) friction to the drivetrain
Sorry, I'm with the OP on this one. Elon was very specific about the 3's horse-towing capabilities, and I expect him to deliver.
We don't know what the winter range hit will be yet. It's a smaller battery and cabin to heat.
Which includes city driving, highway driving, high speed driving, cold weather condition driving, and driving with air conditioning active.
BluestarE3
Active Member
It's like comparing fuel tank sizes for ICE cars and assuming the one with a larger tank has more range without taking into consideration the fuel efficency of the respective vehicles. 215 miles was what was announced March 31, 2016 for the base model. If there was concern about this not being enough, shouldn't you have canceled long before now? There was no bait and switch or anything underhanded; indeed, we're getting 5 more miles than originally promised. Frankly, I don't care if they're using two Duracell AA batteries to give me that range.
tinm
2020 Model S LR+ Owner
I don't like the choices in this poll. I'm not "disappointed" at all. The 220mi is exactly what I figured it'd be. And remember that 220 is probably only if you get the weirdmobile aero wheels. Other type wheels I'm sure will drop the 220 to what, 210, 205? Meh.
I always figured we'd do the long range version. And face it, in 2 years, the battery choices for the 3 will probably evolve to 60 and 85, with longer ranges for both, so... it's all fine imho
I always figured we'd do the long range version. And face it, in 2 years, the battery choices for the 3 will probably evolve to 60 and 85, with longer ranges for both, so... it's all fine imho
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