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You pre-ordered a Tesla Model III, so what, do you have a Plug?

Discussion in 'Model 3' started by NeverFollow, Jul 28, 2016.

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Will it be easier to get at least a (110 v-15A for US) or (220v-10 A for Europe…)?

  1. I own or rent a separate house, so getting a plug is not an issue.

  2. I rent a separate house, but my landlord will be reluctant for installing a new plug.

  3. I rent/own an apartment or a condo, my landlord seems favorable for installing a new Plug.

  4. I rent/own an apartment or a condo, my landlord will be reluctant for installing a new Plug.

  5. I park in the street or I don’t have an assigned parking spot.

  6. I can charge at work.

  7. There is a public charging station at walking distance from my home.

  8. I have not thought yet about how to plug when I pre-order my Model III.

  9. I will certainly cancel my pre-order and get an ICE or Hybrid instead.

  10. Others.

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  1. BluestarE3

    BluestarE3 Active Member

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    Or a sense of victimization. Neither of which is a constructive or affirming outlook on life.
     
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  2. littlecloudy

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    Thanks everyone for bashing me! I'm not a victim nor am I entitled. i discussed openly the process I went through - apparently that's too much for the people here to handle. Stop attacking me - I'm leaving this forum so stop.
     
  3. littlecloudy

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    To any moderator - Can I get my account removed and all my posts removed please? I don't see a way to do this. I sent a PM but not entirely sure it went through.
     
  4. SpiceWare

    SpiceWare Member

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    Nobody's bashing/attacking you. We're discussing why your expectations will either be met by entities other than Tesla, such as how apartment complexes are already installing chargers, or are unrealistic.
     
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  5. smythey

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    What kind of mileage do you do? I don't have the ability to charge at home at the moment either, but could get by just fine using public charge points if a Tesla suddenly came into my life. In 2 years there will be many, many more charge points scattered about.

    The upside to this excruciating wait for our cars is that there's time to plan ahead and explore the different options for charging (at home or otherwise).
     
  6. SageBrush

    SageBrush 2020: Drain the Sewer

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    #106 SageBrush, Jul 29, 2016
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    There is very little doubt that Tesla relies on a robust *private* infrastructure that is front and central the home, then the workplace, and around the margin SCs and other public charging stations at a price to fuel their cars. I understand that people who are new to Tesla and all things Tesla related have not had a chance to internalize this structure -- and I feel littleCloudy's disappointment. His situation will probably not be resolved today and perhaps not in two years, but you never know. Electrification of Apt complexes and workplaces will happen, and probably faster than most think, though not fast enough for littleCloudy.

    We are all constrained by our means and budgets. I have been waiting for the Model3 for onwards of 10 years by the time it shows up, and I may have to wait even longer if my home rental cannot accommodate PV. In the meantime I enjoy the Tesla experience through current owners. It is not as good as having the car in my garage but it is a *whole* lot better than nothing.

    So, littleCloudy, stay involved, stay committed. Keep on learning about EVs, and most importantly keep on advocating for them and the infrastructure needed for you and your circle to be able to own an EV one day. Staying engaged will hasten the day.

    All the best,

    Eric
     
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  7. 22522

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    Your memory is right about resistive losses. But if you think about it, these circuits are 95% efficient at full load. There is a lot more in there than just a wire.
     
  8. 22522

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    A logical way to think about this is: "There is an App for that!"

    Apple grew by making an ecosystem that recruits other companies to help serve their customers. Tesla's financial success will come by following the same path.
     
  9. CHG-ON

    CHG-ON Still in love after all these miles

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    I have an MS. I would not buy a pure electric car if I could not charge at home. I think it would be incredibly inconvenient. I do own my home (well, the bank does) and I have a garage. So I am totally spoiled. Hopefully that will never change!!!
     
  10. physicsfita

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    +1

    As someone who used to live with only on-street parking, this thread has struck a nerve with me. I really feel for littlecloudy's situation. I have to say that the situation for EV charging even here in Michigan has been improving faster than I could have hoped. Heck, after only a few years of nudging, my workplace is beginning to explore the viability of thinking about possibly studying installing a charger or two. :rolleyes: I guess that's progress....

    Fortunately for me, after I lost the lease on my street-parking-only apartment last year, it turns out that the HOA for the condo I bought seems to be pretty cool with me installing a charger for my parking area. Their attitude was "hey, this is the future -- we'll be able to learn by watching this." Of course, there will be details to be sorted out, but it's looking good.

    Hang in there littlecloudy -- the situation is improving. Fingers crossed that it will be in time for you to take delivery of your shiny new Model 3! :)
     
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  11. Snow Drift

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    #111 Snow Drift, Jul 29, 2016
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    We live in an apartment now and there are 100+ destination chargers and Chargepoint in Manhattan, but hope to buy a house w/ garage and plug by the time our M3 arrives.
     
  12. modamoda

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    I'm living apartment which already has EV chargers
     
  13. Warrentt

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    I recently had a framing walk for our new house. I told the electrician guy to give me a NEMA14-50 by the breaker panel. The price came back for $100.

    I would install a Tesla wall charger once I get a Tesla truck in the future.

    Regard to those without a dedicated source of plug or private parking, don't give up. Research all option on destination charging and find a way for even normal household plug. I suspect the charging efficiency will improve and you can get by if your commute is not more than 50 miles each trip.

    Public charging infrastructure will improve but it can't be overnight. 5 years from now, we won't have this discussion any longer. In short term, you might have to enroll in level 2 private network like Blink or similar companies that have chargers in most chain grocery stores like Kroger/Fred Meyer/Walmart.
     
  14. AZ Desert Driver

    AZ Desert Driver Rare combination

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    "beginning to explore the viability of thinking about possibly studying installing"
    That is a BUNCH of hedge. Im gonna steal that string and use it ...whenever I need to begin to explore the viability of thinking about possibly studying installing something.
     
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  15. jkk_

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    No correct option for me.

    Here there are plenty (no statistics but my GUESS would be that over 60%) parking lots where there are heater posts:

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    While I own the parking spot in our row house I have asked the board of our housing association if they have any objections of me ordering an electrician to remove the 2 hour timer clock and using the outlet for charging a car - since the housing association owns the heater post. They were all for it. Of course, what's important is that I will pay for the electricity I will use. The exact details are still open and will be agreed once I actually have a car that needs charging.

    Charging at 13A 230V isn't exactly super fast, but I don't need fast charging at home.
     
  16. david_42

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    I already have a 20-amp 115v outlet outside, but IF the CUV is actually a hatchback and I'm still in this house when it finally becomes available, I'll have a 220v charger installed.
     
  17. alseTrick

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    #117 alseTrick, Jul 30, 2016
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    Some folks on here definitely are smug and dismissive. Others, though, are actually proffering legitimate suggestions.

    Talk to your apartment complex.
    Talk to your place of employment.
    Look up local chargers with Plug Share and Charge Point and whatever other service/app is out there.

    If you refuse to take the advice others are giving you, then you do deserve criticism for that.
     
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  18. eisbock

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    Not at all! But the notion that everything will magically fall into place once you buy your Tesla preposterous. There requires at least some semblance of a plan when going EV and you're delusional if you think it's all just gonna work out in the end.

    There are plenty of options. Ensure you live somewhere with a 120v outlet somewhat accessible to your car, and make sure it's okay with the property owner and city that you have an extension cord there. Worried about your UMC getting stolen or damaged? Put it in a lockbox and slide it under your car.

    Better yet, talk to your property owner about getting an outlet installed near your parking space. Even better? See if they'll install a full-blown charging station! There are loads of rebates and if you offer to chip in (or fully fund), I don't think there will be an issue. Argue that it'll raise the property value.

    Talk to your boss at work! See if they'll install a charging station. Even better, find other people at your company who own EVs or PHEVs and band together to create a proposal. See if they have a 120v outlet already near where you normally park.

    If it's in the budget (I would hope so if you're purchasing a $35k+ car) relocate to somewhere with a garage or carport. Somewhere to park your car that may have outlets nearby or the ability to cheaply install outlets.

    Point is, you need to talk to the people who own the property you live at and frequent and make plans ahead of time. Trying to scramble and do all this last minute is not going to be fun. Realizing you need to do this after you get your Tesla? Even less fun! Superchargers are an acceptable backup plan, but you'll soon quickly realize how inconvenient it will be.
     
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  19. eisbock

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    Oh, no doubt that charging is more flexible than pumping gas. Superchargers are often next to places of interest, but let me tell you that will get old after a while. When you're frequenting the same goddamn Red Robin multiple times a week, you'll either have the reverse effect of exercise (i.e. getting fat) or lose your sanity.

    Another thing that I know affects me is I would feel charging after work as an extension of "work". It's something I have to do, but don't want to do. I already feel this way about pumping gas, and that takes 5 minutes! So let's say you work 8 hour days, 5 days a week. Now 1-2 of those days every week are 9 hour days until you can get home. Kids need to be picked up from daycare? Well *sugar*, now when do you charge?

    Personally, I feel like I can't truly relax and let my responsibilities go until I'm home on my couch or doing things I enjoy. Going to the supercharger and sitting in my car, all dressed up in suit and tie, killing time on my phone isn't exactly my idea of relaxing. Having to get up in the middle of relaxation and go charge for an hour at night is even worse!

    This is why I hate the concept of siestas. I'd rather get my day with as fast as possible so I can go home and enjoy a block of time to myself. I can't possibly enjoy 2 hours of off-time knowing I have to go right back to work. Those poor Chinese: start the day at 9-10, work until a 2-3 hour lunch, then go home at 9-10. There's no time to work on any projects or do anything that takes more than an hour to get into!

    My point is, having to supercharge all the time chips into your "me time", and while that's not a big deal once in a while, it will become a serious drain when it's a weekly occurrence.
     
  20. JohnSnowNW

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    The facts are that there are nearly 86,000,000 households in the US with access to home charging. If Tesla were manufacturing 1M vehicles a year it would take 86 years for just one member of each household to have access to a Tesla.

    While it's unfortunate that more people don't have access to home charging, it makes little sense for Tesla to provide a means to charge when such a large pool of potential customers have access. Charging is something you'll have to figure out on your own, and if you can't make it work in your current situation, well, that's just the reality you'll have to accept.
     
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