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There are a lot of comments about the more aggressive lane change with 17.26.76. Does it at least look for traffic in adjacent lane and wait until safe to change lanes? 17.17.4 would not change lanes if there was a car next to you or in your blind spot.

Yes it does wait if there is other cars close to you. If there are not cars close, it jerks the steering wheel to the left or right depending what lane you are in. If your speed is slower than what your TAAC is set for, it also accelerates quicker than I think it should. If you were on snow, using the automatic lane change would cause your car to lose control and you would be spinning out of control down the highway.

I recommend everyone call Tesla support and tell them to make it less aggressive like it was 2-3 releases ago. I called them 2 days ago after my wife said it is causing her whiplash. :)
 
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Got the update today (AP2), Europe. So far very satisfied. Adaptive Cruise now changes the max. speed (+offset) according to the current speed limit. Info comes from GPS, no speed sign recognition. :-|

P. S. Still no auto high beams, why?. Auto wipers not checked yet.

Push your turn signal lever forward. It has to be in that position for the automatic high beams to work. It works fine for me.
 
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If you were on snow, using the automatic lane change would cause your car to lose control and you would be spinning out of control down the highway.

I think Tesla could benefit from moving its AP developers from California to an area of the country that has four distinct seasons. The pervasive use of the word "freeway" is a sign that these folks are stuck in a Calcentric provincialism.

Here in the Northeast we have "highways" or "Interstates". We travel on I-95, not "the 95". This is not just a semantic quibble. In winter our lane lines are often obscured by snow and slush left behind by the plows. Even when the roads are clear, salt residue can make line markers fade. Driving in slippery conditions needs a light touch on the accelerator and the brake, and abrupt steering can wreak havoc. Salty spray can blind cameras.

If we're really heading for a self-driving future its going to need software and hardware that works nationwide.
 
I do not notice the radar showing the second car in front of me after the update. Anyone else noticed this? I agree that the lane change speed took me off guard but I am okay with it now. Over all steady improvements. I think the fully autonomous mode is not going to be available this year at this pace.
 
Coming from 17.17.4 to 17.26.76., I just did a run of a 240 mile route that I've done many times. Most of the travel was around 70-75mph on well-marked interstates.

Overall, I think I'm okay with the update, mainly due to the much better lane keeping on curved sections of highways. Very disappointed in automatic lane change behavior. Slightly disappointed at the TACC behavior.

Specific observations:

1) Much better steering on curves. It can follow curves it would not have before, or would become so ping-pongy that I just had to take over.
2) A little worse on straight aways. There's some slight ping-ponging even on perfectly straight and well marked roads. Seems to be slightly worse in low light conditions.
3) I feel like auto lane change is just about unusable now. Jerkyness of the initial turn aside (which is absolutely terrible), I had to take over for at least 50% of the changes because the car either a) didn't want to even start the lane change b) didn't seem to want to finish the lane change or c) started to jerk around attempting to finish the lane change. With 17.17.4, the changes were slower but much more reliable and comfortable. About half way through my trip, I stopped using auto lane change because it was behaving so poorly. Disappointed at that one. Hope it gets better.
4) Really need to watch out at highway exits - the car tends to jerk around, sometimes following the exit. AND need to watch out at highway on-ramps - meaning, you're traveling on the highway, and there is an on-ramp. The car tends to jerk around briefly.
5) Really need to watch out when close to or on the top of a rise/crest/hill in the road. The car tends to jerk around while figuring out where the lane really is. Had to take over a couple times in places where 17.17.4 would sail through.
6) TACC got a little rough on the gas, both slowing and speeding, either in motion or from/to complete stops. I felt like if I was in stop-and-go traffic, I might get a bit annoyed.
 
Vastly improved curve handling at speed, tested up to 80 and while it wasn't perfect, it's showing promise.

Lane changes required passenger warnings before executing, and close to needing a 5 point harness. Oh, and don't let the turn signal lever slip before crossing the lane markers far enough to complete the change! Woo Hoo! Snaps you back into the lane you were changing from with a vengeance.

Unnecessary straight line at speed micro steering adjustments needs improving.

Did have a few phantom braking events, so that's still an issue. Was not on a road normally traveled so can't compare to 17.17.4 or earlier.

Approaching stopping traffic changed from 17.17.4 in an uncomfortable manner, while the delay to accelerate once traffic stars to move improved. Don't know how this affects rush hour stop and go traffic as traffic was not heavy and i don't commute.

While I wouldn't go so far as to call this release silky smooth, it is on the right track. Looking forward to further improvements. Hopefully less than 8 weeks this time...
 
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I think the reason people are taking you less and less seriously Oktane is because you continue to use inflammatory words despite the fact that even you must admit AP2 is improving signficantly release after release. Yet you use words like "shittily" rather than "Despite improvement it still isn't as smooth as AP1" - you are starting to sound like the boy who cried wolf. You have nothing interesting to contribute to the forum, no original topics - just slam after slam after slam on Tesla. Looking at your post history at least 75% of your posts are just ways to criticize your car - as though you find it therapeutic somehow. It's like you're working through your anger.

The other thing is that a few of us own both cars (such as me). AP1 is still a bit smoother but AP2 is a stunning achievement - starting from zero to something which in my experience is getting very close to AP1 and is superior in some settings. This latest "silky smooth" update makes it indistinguishable to most people. You are one of the far right side of the bell curve nut balls which populate this forum (so am I). To normal civilians the current state of AP2 is magic.

Your claims held some truth a few firmware builds back - but you're starting to sound a bit silly 17.17.4 was a big improvement and "silk" is a further refinement. Plus as I told people in my case the car has definitely "learned" to avoid a trouble spot after all those video uploads from 17.17.4 to the current release - it's impressive.

If you gave a more balanced picture of minus vs plus you wouldn't be turning yourself into a forum joke, which is what is gradually happening. You're messing up your own reputation because you're becoming a one-note person with nothing to contribute here except your pet peeve - which you repeat over, and over, and over again while ignoring the improvement AP2 is making.
Apart from being an obnoxious swipe at a particular user based on personal anecdotes and emotions, your overall picture misses two crucial aspects necessary to being the empath you want to be:

1. Regarding understanding anger: The frustration from Q4 2016 purchasers is significant and warranted, and it has dramatically shaded and set the tone for many of these owners. You simply cannot compare the experience of later purchasers of HW2 cars to those who were mislead (we don't need to litigate that here. The claims of feeling mislead are dispositive to the feelings). Oktane, I believe, falls into this group. There are others who have repeatedly tried to explain to you this important consideration. You choose to ignore it. I won't guess to your motivations. A standard and expectation was set. Other owners ARE angry.

2. Regarding the value of positive feelings: The status of EAP's performance varies depending on where and how an owner drives. It might be entirely usable for some (especially factoring in patience/expectations/etc.); whereas for others, EAP might be wholly useless. If an owner claims it doesn't work for that particular owner, it matters not at all to him that another owner finds it acceptable.

Thus simply from a "I refuse to take you seriously" perspective, there is no reason to praise that which you think fails to meet your expectations -- even if it is not entirely devoid of positive aspects. So while EAP is now better than it was when a car was delivered (trivially, of course, since in my case it had no AP at all for at least a month), that in no way obligates an owner to say "well, it's better than it was". Being "better than something that is bad" is not the same as "being good". Rotten milk tastes better than gasoline to a thirsty man.

I understand that some owners are not overly troubled with the state of EAP and its current performance. I also understand that some owners think it is an abysmal failure.

Anyways! I'm excited to try this new update. Just finished installing.

Tl;dr Throwaway criticisms by sunshine peddlers is not "a balanced view".
 
Still waiting (!). After trying for more than 24hours on LTE (even parking the car on the street overnight to get better reception), is beginning to think I'll never get the update :-/

I wonder if the LTE is throttled? Certainly seems so. Just moved my hotspot; will see if that helps.
 
Had a chance to test out AP last night on a long freeway drive and thought that it was much improved around curves. Previously it would make micro adjustments throughout the curve and now it was very smooth, can't really see what more they could improve on it from that aspect.

Did have a few very minor phantom brakes which I've never had before. Lane changes were as others described, much more abrupt and it also seemed to surge forward during the lane change and then settle back down a second later. Not sure why they messed with the lane change algorithm, it worked very well before.

Having said all that, I woke up to a new software update available message this morning and am installing now. :)
 
I think Tesla could benefit from moving its AP developers from California to an area of the country that has four distinct seasons. The pervasive use of the word "freeway" is a sign that these folks are stuck in a Calcentric provincialism.

Here in the Northeast we have "highways" or "Interstates". We travel on I-95, not "the 95". This is not just a semantic quibble. In winter our lane lines are often obscured by snow and slush left behind by the plows. Even when the roads are clear, salt residue can make line markers fade. Driving in slippery conditions needs a light touch on the accelerator and the brake, and abrupt steering can wreak havoc. Salty spray can blind cameras.

If we're really heading for a self-driving future its going to need software and hardware that works nationwide.
 
Update my S90D a few days ago to 17.26.76. Agree with everyone, lane changing on the freeway now too sudden and jerky, wife won't let me use It anymore if she is in the car. Before this update the lane changing was silky smooth and perfect, I'm not sure why they changed it. AP2 still won't change lanes on secondary roads like the AP1 cars will. I have tried the perpendicular parking in multiple different parking lots but the car has never shown me a parking slot the way my AP1 car does. I don't notice any driving improvements with this update, still ping pong slightly back-and-forth on both secondary roads and the freeway, my wife says it makes her nauseous. The AP2 cars now have the same GPS database that the AP1 cars have which unfortunately shows the wrong speed limit on many of the secondary roads I drive on.
 
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I tried the new lane change and found it very good and comfortable. Not jerky or unsafe at all. One I am using standard steering mode, not sport (which may make a difference). Tried lane changes up to 70 mph.
I am using standard steering also and it jerks in my AP2 car with 17.24.28. I would recommend letting us know the software version and if you have an AP1 or AP2 car.
 
I think the reason people are taking you less and less seriously Oktane is because you continue to use inflammatory words despite the fact that even you must admit AP2 is improving signficantly release after release. Yet you use words like "shittily" rather than "Despite improvement it still isn't as smooth as AP1" - you are starting to sound like the boy who cried wolf. You have nothing interesting to contribute to the forum, no original topics - just slam after slam after slam on Tesla. Looking at your post history at least 75% of your posts are just ways to criticize your car - as though you find it therapeutic somehow. It's like you're working through your anger.

The other thing is that a few of us own both cars (such as me). AP1 is still a bit smoother but AP2 is a stunning achievement - starting from zero to something which in my experience is getting very close to AP1 and is superior in some settings. This latest "silky smooth" update makes it indistinguishable to most people. You are one of the far right side of the bell curve nut balls which populate this forum (so am I). To normal civilians the current state of AP2 is magic.

Your claims held some truth a few firmware builds back - but you're starting to sound a bit silly 17.17.4 was a big improvement and "silk" is a further refinement. Plus as I told people in my case the car has definitely "learned" to avoid a trouble spot after all those video uploads from 17.17.4 to the current release - it's impressive.

If you gave a more balanced picture of minus vs plus you wouldn't be turning yourself into a forum joke, which is what is gradually happening. You're messing up your own reputation because you're becoming a one-note person with nothing to contribute here except your pet peeve - which you repeat over, and over, and over again while ignoring the improvement AP2 is making.

Firstly, just so we're clear, I don't care if you or others "take me seriously" or not. I don't care about my TMC forum "reputation" as you call it, I simply tell it like I see it without any need to pat Tesla on the back.

In my mind, AP2 has obviously made improvements from when it was first enabled and usable to 35mph. However, in the last 2 firmware builds I have not seen any substantial AP2 improvement. There are still turns which consistently will result in fatality without user intervention. If you don't believe me that's your right.

I also don't find AP2 to be a "stunning achievement" as you put it, since no matter what progress they have made, it still pales in comparison to AP1 on many, many levels. And as you know, if I wanted my car to work only as good as AP1, I would have saved $100,000 and purchased a used car and had working AP1 x 9 months more than my sort of working AP2. Yes, AP2 will mostly stay in the lanes in its current form, but it's not good enough for me to trust it hands free. If I can't use it mostly hands-free, it's easier/safer/better for me to just drive myself. To me, that's the biggest distinction between AP1 and AP2 and severely lacking.

Tesla will not get any praises from me until they have exceeded the capability of an AP1 car. Until then, Tesla and Elon Musk are the forum joke for lying about the capabilities of "enhanced" AP2, at least from my perspective.

I'm should change my signature line to reflect I have AP 0.5. Or since they are a little better than a few months ago, maybe AP 0.8?
 
I do not notice the radar showing the second car in front of me after the update. Anyone else noticed this? I agree that the lane change speed took me off guard but I am okay with it now. Over all steady improvements. I think the fully autonomous mode is not going to be available this year at this pace.

It does not but when a car suddenly leapt out in front of the car in front of me my car braked far sooner and less abruptly than 17.17.17 would've (despite the new car not appearing on the IC). So I think the radar is still seeing the car ahead, the car just isn't letting us in on that information/processing.
 
Had my first opportunity to try AP for a reasonable trip (~80 mi each way on I66/I81 in Virginia with 17.26.76).

TACC and Autosteer worked very well at 65 - 75 mph. Had one disconnect going over bridge under repair with absolutely no lane markings of any kind and no vehicle in front of me. Interestingly there was a second bridge is same condition but I was behind another car and there was no problem. No problems at all and was very happy and had a very relaxing journey.

Automatic lane changing was another experience. As many have mentioned, changes are a bit aggressive, particularly at higher speeds. Need some serious tweaking to account for speed. Also had incredibly frightening experience when I started a lane change and let up on turn signal a bit early and had the car swerve back into the original lane. I thought I had gotten into new lane far enough, but was wrong. Trying to decide if there should be some feedback when it has committed to the change.

Overall, very happy with the experience.