Dude, I've been practicing my ninja moves constantly to pull off the Tesla Music Video of your Dreams and you are leaving Telsa? Dude, get a nice Model X. You know that *sugar* is gonna be tight this time around.
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AP2.0 Cameras: Capabilities and Limitations?
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@verygreen you became my hero the second you chimed in in post #20 of this thread back in May.
I have - we have - learned such a crazy amount of interesting stuff about our cars (and the company who makes them) since then, all thanks to you. A trillion thank you's!!! You're name will be dropped around here for a long, long time even after you're gone.
My hope is that you still lurk around, even if you're not an owner anymore, because I'd love your opinion on AP stuff in the coming year. I'm quite sure everyone following this thread / topic agrees with me
Gutted to hear this. It is clearly win/win for verygreen & Tesla, and well done for that.
I do wonder how long @verygreen will be able to stay away. Keeping one step ahead of Tesla's APE security and having access to the secret sauce must have been pretty addictive...
I do wonder how long @verygreen will be able to stay away. Keeping one step ahead of Tesla's APE security and having access to the secret sauce must have been pretty addictive...
I can’t wait to see AP2
SucreTease
Teslarian
@verygreen, your profound contributions to understanding the internals and progress on AP will be sorely missed. It depresses me that we won't have you making further contributions for our benefit.
So returning to regularly scheduled programming for now while I still have the car.
I swear it looks like every or almost every recent firmware (since .32 or so, redoubled efforts since .42) had something added on ape front to shake me out of the system. I just installed 17.50.2 and of course there's another salvo - Tesla finally has discovered dm-verity. Here's hope next time they'll discover how to use it in a robust manner and then it'll mostly be game-over, I guess.
I swear it looks like every or almost every recent firmware (since .32 or so, redoubled efforts since .42) had something added on ape front to shake me out of the system. I just installed 17.50.2 and of course there's another salvo - Tesla finally has discovered dm-verity. Here's hope next time they'll discover how to use it in a robust manner and then it'll mostly be game-over, I guess.
Hey @verygreen, while everyone is giving you a living jazz funeral, can you please explain to me EXACTLY why you are leaving Tesla? Don't make me read old posts.... I'm very lazy. And I need to hear it straight from the source.... you keep putting midget porn on tesla web server, "just a little" you said, but they got upset and said stop? Then you got the death penalty and now are going to work in the coal mines of Knoxville? What did I miss?
( Also, I can't claim the little joke earlier... I stole it from skitown._
Ever heard of "Pixel buds"? It's revolutionary headphones from Google that can translate stuff around you in languages that you don't understand into a language that you do. That's stuff right out of science fiction books of my childhood... if it worked, anyway.
Read some reviews, like Google Pixel Buds review: You (and Google) can do better or https://gizmodo.com/googles-pixel-buds-arent-even-close-to-being-good-1820411288
So one of the main promises - the translation feature is quite subpar. Sure, it's still better than on any other headphones out there, but still not very usable. The sound quality might be great and stuff, but there are a lot of much cheaper headphones with pretty good sound quality too. Tesla is somewhat similar to that. Yes, it's a great car, but the promise was something else.
For me the main appeal of Tesla originally was "Self driving car", I really need a self-driving car, even highway-only self-driving car would be fine. Well, it turned out that Tesla did not live up to the expectations (to put it mildly). Yes, while owning the car I discovered that it's pretty good at some other aspects, e.g. when new it drives like a dream and I definitely had my fun trying to see how things work. Sadly the quality is also not there, esp. on my particular car, which is very sad given the price, and then Tesla decided that they hate me for my curiosity and blacklisted my car depriving me of (part of the Tesla ownership) joy to really rub it in.
If it was say $50k - I might not mind it as much, if there was a service center nearby stocked with Model X cars to be used as loaners every time I had a problem to fix - that would have somewhat helped too, I guess.
If tesla offered to refund me just say $50-$60k and keep the car, I'd jump on that deal! (but they won't)
Would I miss my model X? - you bet, I am already missing it and it's still in my garage. But would I miss it enough to buy another one soon? Only time will tell, in reality I do not drive all that much and was quite underwhelmed by some things I found inside, so I imagine after first one to two tough weeks I'll readjust and be fine again until some new shiny FSD hope or something else really appealing appears somewhere. But if I find I cannot drive anything else - I'll get another one, pretend I am just a regular well-behaving user that does not break into things and just enjoy the ride
Meanwhile I can concentrate on something else, what is it they say? A change of work is as good as a rest?
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So, I understand some of it, but is it safe to say they don't like you putting proprietary info out there? That's an interesting thing indeed.Ever heard of "Pixel buds"? It's revolutionary headphones from Google that can translate stuff around you in languages that you don't understand into a language that you do. That's stuff right out of science fiction books of my childhood... if it worked, anyway.
Read some reviews, like Google Pixel Buds review: You (and Google) can do better or https://gizmodo.com/googles-pixel-buds-arent-even-close-to-being-good-1820411288
So one of the main promises - the translation feature is quite subpar. Sure, it's still better than on any other headphones out there, but still not very usable. The sound quality might be great and stuff, but there are a lot of much cheaper headphones with pretty good sound quality too. Tesla is somewhat similar to that. Yes, it's a great car, but the promise was something else.
For me the main appeal of Tesla originally was "Self driving car", I really need a self-driving car, even highway-only self-driving car would be fine. Well, it turned out that Tesla did not live up to the expectations (to put it mildly). Yes, while owning the car I discovered that it's pretty good at some other aspects, e.g. when new it drives like a dream and I definitely had my fun trying to see how things work. Sadly the quality is also not there, esp. on my particular car, which is very sad given the price, and then Tesla decided that they hate me for my curiosity and blacklisted my car depriving me of (part of the Tesla ownership) joy to really rub it in.
If it was say $50k - I might not mind it as much, if there was a service center nearby stocked with Model X cars to be used as loaners every time I had a problem to fix - that would have somewhat helped too, I guess.
If tesla offered to refund me just say $50-$60k and keep the car, I'd jump on that deal! (but they won't)
Would I miss my model X? - you bet, I am already missing it and it's still in my garage. But would I miss it enough to buy another one soon? Only time will tell, in reality I do not drive all that much and was quite underwhelmed by some things I found inside, so I imagine after first one to two tough weeks I'll readjust and be fine again until some new shiny FSD hope or something else really appealing appears somewhere. But if I find I cannot drive anything else - I'll get another one, pretend I am just a regular well-behaving user that does not break into things and just enjoy the ride
Meanwhile I can concentrate on something else, what is it they say? A change of work is as good as a rest?
Once inside the car, what were you must pleased by and most disappointed by?
@buttershrimp The long story short from @verygreen's other posts IMO is: Model X quality issues... lemon.
How much anything else played a part, I don't know, but that was the "other thread" of verygreen's ownership alongside AP2 research and FSD desires.
How much anything else played a part, I don't know, but that was the "other thread" of verygreen's ownership alongside AP2 research and FSD desires.
@AnxietyRanver won’t even return a friendly PM.... as opopiard to verygreen since he would return my PMs like Clockwork. He will be missed . @AR is in time out.
Well, this was covered elsewhere, they don't even like putting info out that they are obligated to release to continue having software that they use (GPL GNU public license - look it up, they are violating it on a number of components). They don't mind to lie to you to stall for time and never resolve any of these things when confronted which really puts me off, btw.
They blacklist cars of researchers that gain their entry into the car systems, the blacklisting deprives such cars of (most of) updates, the blacklisting restricts ability of service centers to perform work on such cars (need engineering approval to perform a lot of operations => prolonged repair times as the result). For example the two last updates my car officially got were 17.50.2 yesterday and 17.24.x in August.
I was most disappointed by how outdated (and slow) interior hardware components were, and software too (somewhat improved now, but very slightly)! The architecture was a product of a true startup-like mindset - cobble something together that kind of barely works for the most part and ship it, then barely patch it up as issues crop up to just keep it (mostly) afloat. The take 2 on the model 3 and ape front is more organized and lately they even started to put good effort into the security side of things, but current S/X systems appear to be a writedown at this point on the Tesla side which should be a concern (esp for new owners) given that they still sell these systems.
Quality control on the software side is such that the manufacturing QA seems to be a shining example of perfectionism in comparison (another throwback of startup mentality?), when you look inside, things are crashing left and right (not always in user-visible manner, but every time you enter the car and the full player got minimized - that's a sign that underlying media player has crashed). Spotify server is particularly crashy (did you know spotify-server is running on your car even in North America when the functionality in just the UI is disabled?)
What I was pleased with? Well I was pretty pleased with how easily the entry could be gained, I guess.
Also they run Linux (well, I already knew that by the time I bought, but I still like it). Inside there's a whole network of different compute nodes, not just one cramped node that's common with other manufacturers (for cost reasons mostly - why have 2-3 computes when you can have just one driving multiple displays and other business logic). Hm... slim list on the positive side I guess.... Ah! It was fun to play with too Similar threads
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