The safest one, but considering that you have two types of devices one of which is, obviously, more reliable in terms of distance-to-obstacle evaluation, the threshold for the less reliable system (cameras) may be more tolerant to "probably an obstacle in front of the car" situations. But it's just speculation, the most valuable feedback comes from the users of both systems, and this feedback disappoints.
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Right now, the consensus among people who own and drive both (i.e. a car with a radar unit and a car without) is that Tesla Vision cars suffer from a significantly higher frequency of phantom braking events, especially at night. They’re also far more prone to Forward Collision Warning false positives, even when Autopilot isn't active. See my earlier post for more common complaints.
It's important to be sceptical of anecdotal evidence, but it's hard to ignore the sheer volume of complaints from North American owners.
I genuinely wish Tesla every success! Especially now that my car's ADAS features will depend on it. But let’s be clear-eyed about this: there’s no firm timeline to hold them to and no recourse for us if they can’t resolve the outstanding problems with camera-based Autopilot. Remember, Musk has been promising self-driving Teslas every year for eight years now.
Any radar-equipped car could be updated to use Tesla Vision. Of course, Tesla won't do this unless they're able to get their camera-based solution to work as reliably as the current system. As things stand, Tesla Vision would be a downgrade for these cars.
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The only experience I've had so far with an M3 is hiring a M3P over a week-end from evee. On the highway it phantom braked three or four times during a sunny day, mostly when I went under an overpass. The first time it happened it frightened the heck out of me and had a car sitting right behind me, luckilly he was paying attention. This was an early 2019 car, not sure what technology it was using. I have a MY on order so not too confident about vision only, time will tell. My current car is a VAG SUV with radar cruise control and it has been faultless.
how many/who are they lucky ones in Perth getting a car? and what are their OD’s? would love to know
Hey the pros and cons of Tesla Vision probably has a thread. This thread is about Tesla delivery and the distinct lack thereof.
Surely I can't be the only one. Imagine a ship with only three MY's and one model 3? And maybe a few Kia's? Hahahow many/who are they lucky ones in Perth getting a car? and what are their OD’s? would love to know
I know its not exactly the same but I’ve had similar false braking from my Audi Sense ACC. It has also probably saved my life twice, once when I came over a hill only to find the cars stopped right at the crest. Before I could brake, probably not in time, it braked for me just before I slammed into the car.
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It does. Just to finish off here, this YouTube video dated 12 June 22 discusses it. “Tesla FSD, Now with Radar?!Cameras …..” on the Chanel Dr. Know-it-all Knows it all”
Also in the last week, this … “BREAKING: Is Tesla Bringing Back Radar??” (YouTube)
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You can. Delivery Jan 2023. Had i ordered when i ordered the Tesla i would have it by now. Kicking myself. I was not to know that the (at the time) longer Polestar delivery would in fact be earlier. Which was a big factor in the ordering decision.
I would also like to apologise to all the earlier Tesla orderers in here for being so optimistic. Lol.
A Boeing 737 typically has five. Pilot, co-pilot, and backup for the cockpit and two for the elevator control systems. The two main sensors feed the redundant computers and both pilot displays, the backup sensor feeds only the independent standby instrument. The crew also has checklists and procedure to verify the pilot and co-pilot airspeed indicators read the same at critical points. If a significant discrepancy exists at transition to the high speed regime during takeoff (80 to 100 knots) it should result in an immediate rejected takeoff.
Err on the side of safety at all times.
Transitioning to Tesla Vision Australia
Not sure if people have seen the following link for upcoming Australian models https://www.tesla.com/en_AU/support/transitioning-tesla-vision
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Go there.
If everything went as planned.
Polestar slashes production of 2023 Polestar 2 amid China lockdowns
Polestar is the latest EV maker to report it will have to reduce its production targets amid the global pandemic.
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I was never optimistic as it was tesla and historically never deliver on promises. But after getting it in writing twice from Tesla and the lease company who chased up their side of telsa that delivery was definitely 8-12 weeks, settled on a M3LR as basically I could get it much quicker than a Polestar. Could have got 2 seperate polestars delivered by now. Most annoying that they kept stringing along the delivery time but a month or two at a time rather than just saying it will be 6 months or more. Would have cancelled. And it is still going on. Aug-Oct which is based basically on nothing.l, just like all the other EDD updates.
Had a use case of doing 1500km a week for work for 12 months and EV made perfect financial sense. By the time it comes use case will be just about over. Will keep it for a bit I guess depending if it's good or not. If LRs are still selling for ridiculous money by then it would be hard to not sell for sure.
At least Tesla ownership has lived up to everything I thought it would be so far, and still not holding out much hope that the car wont be mostly a boring experience with pretty fast acceleration, which is basically how a couple of my mates with 3s describe it. It's definitely a company the puts the customer last.
I drove a few hundred kilometres on two-lane country roads this weekend, with no phantom braking events. With older versions of the software from a year or two back it would most often happen on corners with dark shadows on the road and large trees/obstacles on the outside of the corner.
In my experience you're most likely to see braking for real obstacles - not "phantom braking" as such - in situations like parked cars within the lane you're driving, cyclists within the lane you're driving, cross-traffic darting across ahead of you, or pedestrians stepping into the edge of your lane.
That hasn't actually happened yet. The article is about yearly production estimates. And when they knew it would be an issue they stopped taking orders and updated their delivery estimates upfront. Something Tesla could learn from given their blowout is what we are currently standing in.If everything went as planned.
Polestar slashes production of 2023 Polestar 2 amid China lockdowns
Polestar is the latest EV maker to report it will have to reduce its production targets amid the global pandemic.
"But now, customers in Australia who ordered after Polestar’s order page went back online at the end of April could experience delivery delays later in the year.
Whether this happens will depend on Polestar’s ability to implement a second shift as soon as possible to make up for the shortfall later in 2022.
But the spokesperson also warned that new customer deliveries could be put back from November this year to 2023. “The situation is constantly evolving – we are waiting to determine whether our customers will be impacted,” they said."
At least they said something about it and fronted the media explaining in detail what the situation actually is along with production plans.
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I just checked the VIN "thing" I use (https://www.tesla.com/teslaaccount/oxp-bff-api/user-orders - I don't know whether this method is now out of date/still valid?) but under the VIN for me it has changed from "vin":null to "vin":""
{"code":200,"data":{"countryCode":"AU","vehicleList":[{"year":"","model":"m3","vin":"","rn":"RN1164
I am not reading anything into it, I'm just noting the change. It's probably simply a change within the webpage.
{"code":200,"data":{"countryCode":"AU","vehicleList":[{"year":"","model":"m3","vin":"","rn":"RN1164
I am not reading anything into it, I'm just noting the change. It's probably simply a change within the webpage.
null and "" are two ways of displaying the same thing. And that thing is null. I looked up mine in the source code and nothing has changed. But it is also displaying "" in your api tool thing.
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