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Their response was that they had my passport
Why'd you give it to them? It's not even yours to give
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Their response was that they had my passport
Ironically my M3P has been far more reliable in my 4 years of ownership than my EV6 which has stranded me a couple times (only 1 year of ownership too). Stupid 12V on it keeps draining and I got a couple random check lights which I had to take to dealer. After a year of ownership, I still prefer the Tesla interface over the native system + Carplay that the EV6 offers. After all that said, my wife prefers the EV6 over the Tesla and her opinion on the family car is all important to our family
Value doesnt matter as much to me. This is an obvious "want", not "need" purchase. I want the better item.The problem with the EV6 is no tax credit and dealer ADM. The Y or the 3 is a much better value.
Ill be the first to say I am not a fan of Kia. Also not a fan of Tesla. I have to just compare products based on merit and not on pedigree, when it comes to EVThe major problem with the EV6 is that it is a KIA, imho. I just can't overcome my perception of Korean cars shaped in the 90th and 00th.
It is not about being a fan or not. It is about Korean brands solidly and objectively occupying top ranks of the 'total crap' category for most of their history. When I sit in a Hyundai or (especially) Kia, I see cheap plastic, economy everywhere, and a negative number of days of expected reliability.Ill be the first to say I am not a fan of Kia. Also not a fan of Tesla. I have to just compare products based on merit and not on pedigree, when it comes to EV
It is not about being a fan or not. It is about Korean brands solidly and objectively occupying top ranks of the 'total crap' category for most of their history. When I sit in a Hyundai or (especially) Kia, I see cheap plastic, economy everywhere, and a negative number of days of expected reliability.
I often see stup1d commercials (Kia or Hyundai) telling me on youtube that my Tesla has no fast charging, no standard drivers assists, and bad warranty. It doesn't really help to instill trust in that Korean company. But it clearly aimed at Kia/Hyundai shoppers. I am not very bright, but those shoppers should be pretty dumb even compared to me.Kia has the worst commercials too.
A recent Kia commercial i saw tells me that Kia thinks we're ineffcient, disrespectful buffoons.
I should probably see EV6 closer. I spent an hour in the Ioniq 5, and it is made cheaply of cheap materials compared to Teslas and Hondas that I own. Software is "flashy" (as in most Korean cars), it's not too bad actually, but to get options that we enjoy standard in Tesla (and in Honda!) you need to pay big extra premium for moving to higher trims. I was positively SUPER surprised by the 30k Accord "Sport" we got a few months ago that it can keep pretty well in a highway lane. I didn't test it myself for too long, but in simple driving its behavior was very similar to our Teslas AP (unlike Toyota's junk lane keep assist). In Hyundai, I'd have to go to higher trims for that.Have you sat in the newer ones? The EV6 has better materials and build quality than my Tesla and much quieter too. My Hondas feel cheaper than the Kia.
I should probably see EV6 closer. I spent an hour in the Ioniq 5, and it is made cheaply of cheap materials compared to Teslas and Hondas that I own. Software is "flashy" (as in most Korean cars), it's not too bad actually, but to get options that we enjoy standard in Tesla (and in Honda!) you need to pay big extra premium for moving to higher trims. I was positively SUPER surprised by the 30k Accord "Sport" we got a few months ago that it can keep pretty well in a highway lane. I didn't test it myself for too long, but in simple driving its behavior was very similar to our Teslas AP (unlike Toyota's junk lane keep assist). In Hyundai, I'd have to go to higher trims for that.
I don't own or watch TV. My Kia doesn't have a TV in it, either. Dunno what to tell you.Kia has the worst commercials too.
A recent Kia commercial i saw tells me that Kia thinks we're ineffcient, disrespectful buffoons.
Who the hell makes a father drive all the way back home for a $2 binky for the baby, only to tell the dutiful and incurious courier that the baby likes the color he didn't fetch?
The buffoon's response? He mindlessly gets in the car to fetch the blue binky. No thoughts in his head at all.
Are Kia buyers so dumb that they wouldn't just buy the preferred blue binky at a drug store for a couple bucks where they're at? It's a binky, not a critical life-support device, and they're so cheap. Why do they own a binky the baby rejects? If the baby prefers blue they could just buy a blue one locally.
Also, why is the guy so dumb that he doesn't speak up with this idea and why does the wife not impart this critical info before she wastes his time like this? Now she's alone with the baby in some sufficiently distant location because she has no respect for his time, their trip, timeline, efficiency...or her husband.
Now imagine the wife was the one having to fetch a cheap drugstore binky from home, twice, because the guy couldnt be bothered to impart critical info. It would hit differently.
Kia is taking the easy trope of making the husband the stooge. Who exactly are they trying to appeal to here? To me this is pure trending political/ideological virtue-signaling and it's a dangerous game. Just ask Gillette.
Kia thinks that wasting someone's time with comical and lazy inefficiency is...clever. This is how they're trying to sell EVs to Americans? This was their best effort?
Advertising is one thing, but done badly it can also be repellant.
I purchased based on track comparisons, suspension setup, interior, battery architecture, interior dB, charging speed, stuff like that.I often see stup1d commercials (Kia or Hyundai) telling me on youtube that my Tesla has no fast charging, no standard drivers assists, and bad warranty. It doesn't really help to instill trust in that Korean company. But it clearly aimed at Kia/Hyundai shoppers. I am not very bright, but those shoppers should be pretty dumb even compared to me.
I can't imagine what you think of Tesla at that rate.It is not about being a fan or not. It is about Korean brands solidly and objectively occupying top ranks of the 'total crap' category for most of their history. When I sit in a Hyundai or (especially) Kia, I see cheap plastic, economy everywhere, and a negative number of days of expected reliability.
These are all very interesting and important comparison values. If track and suspension are number 1 and 2 parameters for you, I'm sure you just couldn't wait for the Model 3 Performance at the time you made your choice.I purchased based on track comparisons, suspension setup, interior, battery architecture, interior dB, charging speed, stuff like that.
I would avoid Ford for ethical reasons. It's like driving a car with Hitler name written over it....I would surely take one over any Ford in a heartbeat.
So far, Ive had no issues with charging and trips. Usually 20 min or less at the charger.These are all very interesting and important comparison values. If track and suspension are number 1 and 2 parameters for you, I'm sure you just couldn't wait for the Model 3 Performance at the time you made your choice.
Also, on charging speed. How easy is it to travel in the EV6 now? Does the car send you to a working fast charger (>=150kW) automatically 99% of times on your trips?
okay.M3P is not competitive when it comes to cooling, brakes, and handling.