Makes sense, they're the ones that got their Jeep hacked... Over the air. As far as I am aware, owners had to bring the cars into the dealerships to get the fix. Wonder how many did and did not... How many vulnerable cars are out there?
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Chevy Bolt - 200 mile range for $30k base price (after incentive)
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Makes sense, they're the ones that got their Jeep hacked... Over the air. As far as I am aware, owners had to bring the cars into the dealerships to get the fix. Wonder how many did and did not... How many vulnerable cars are out there?
green1
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You take that back! Fisher Price makes some pretty good stuff!
As for Chrysler... *sigh* I have a Dodge Ram CT for work (basically a dodge caravan but without the rear seats or windows), What a piece of... ummm... yeah. Only another month or 2 and it's gone and I'll be using the Tesla for any driving I need to do, couldn't come soon enough!
mknox
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From about 1980 to the late 1990's all I had were Chrysler vehicles, and they were some of the best cars I ever owned. I soured on them when the Daimler "merger of equals" (really a takeover) happened. I do think the new Pacifica Hybrid minivan looks pretty good, though.
RobStark
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I have and the interiors have high quality materials vs the direct competition.
VW and Mazda have better quality materials but they cost more money.
Chrysler infotainment systems look good and are easy to use.
The issue with FCA is fuel economy,short term reliability and long term durability.
RobStark
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gg_got_a_tesla
Model S: VIN 65513, Model 3: VIN 1913
Have always liked the Opel badging than the Chevy one. This one even has my initials on it! ;-)
RobStark
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The big question is what will they price the Ampera-e in Europe?
Will they charge the US price plus shipping and 10% EU duty?
Will they do final assembly inside the EU to avoid the tariff? Seems a bit of a hassle for 3k-5k units.
If not ~48k Euros is sticker shock inducing.
LEAF 2.0 will not be far behind Ampera-e debut and being made in Europe gives the Nissan a distinct advantage.
Will they charge the US price plus shipping and 10% EU duty?
Will they do final assembly inside the EU to avoid the tariff? Seems a bit of a hassle for 3k-5k units.
If not ~48k Euros is sticker shock inducing.
LEAF 2.0 will not be far behind Ampera-e debut and being made in Europe gives the Nissan a distinct advantage.
ratsbew
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So does the 30,000/year production rate count the Opel version?
BTW, sharp looking car, but with Tesla showing off the Model 3 I don't see it doing very well.
BTW, sharp looking car, but with Tesla showing off the Model 3 I don't see it doing very well.
RobStark
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I believe it does. One of the EV blogs has a source at GM that says 10%-15% of production is going to Europe.
Based on their Volt experience I'm sure GM is unsure about where and how this car will sell. 2019 is likely a very different EV landscape compared to 2017.
Why Tesla sells cars on its own
GM will fail with the Bolt because it doesn't know how to market EVs. We purchased a Chevy Volt back in 2011 before Model S was available to us. Love the car; hate the way the Chevrolet dealer handles electric cars. Throughout our ownership, we have received prompts to bring the car in for service based on engine use in an ICE, whereas we have about 10% engine use for life of car. Once, when the instrument panel failed, they replaced the unit without saving our energy data, which was therefore lost forever.
The latest was a letter we received yesterday trying to entice us to trade the Volt in for a new car. Did they offer the new Volt, the Spark EV, or even the Bolt? No, they showed us a big picture of a Chevy truck, telling us we could get BETTER MILEAGE! Until GM/Chevy understands how to sell EVs and how to rattle the chains (in a good way) of existing EV owners, the Bolt will fail.
GM will fail with the Bolt because it doesn't know how to market EVs. We purchased a Chevy Volt back in 2011 before Model S was available to us. Love the car; hate the way the Chevrolet dealer handles electric cars. Throughout our ownership, we have received prompts to bring the car in for service based on engine use in an ICE, whereas we have about 10% engine use for life of car. Once, when the instrument panel failed, they replaced the unit without saving our energy data, which was therefore lost forever.
The latest was a letter we received yesterday trying to entice us to trade the Volt in for a new car. Did they offer the new Volt, the Spark EV, or even the Bolt? No, they showed us a big picture of a Chevy truck, telling us we could get BETTER MILEAGE! Until GM/Chevy understands how to sell EVs and how to rattle the chains (in a good way) of existing EV owners, the Bolt will fail.
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igotzzoom
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Well, EV enthusiasts will be able to cut through that crap. But in terms of converting ICE drivers, you're right. If gas remains cheap (which it looks like it will, at least in the near-mid term) people will easily be enticed into ICE cars with a lot of cash on the hood, or low finance offers. I've found dealers are generally pretty clueless about marketing, and just send out blanket bulk mailings that aren't micro-targeted toward specific customers or groups, just a general "SUPER SPRING BLOWOUT!! GET INCREDIBLE DEALS NOW!! UP TO $10,000+ OFF FULLSIZE TRUCKS!!"
That was also why Ampera, in 2012, cost here 45.000 EUR, which was back then 61.000 US$. One has to wonder why it sold so bad.
RobStark
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The question is; does VW and Nissan market EVs any better?
Because that is GM Bolt's real competition not Tesla.
Nissan does. For one, a level 3 charger at a Nissan dealership is a common sight in most US cities. I have some sort of Nissan rewards program that has special benefits for EVs (instead of the normal free oil changes or whatever).
My own city also has three Nissan dealerships that carry Leafs, and one that carries Volts.
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