I hope you are correct, but my interactions with the nieces and nephews (20s and 30s) have caused me concerns. They view that this pandemic is over since none of their friends are getting real sick....
It’s not clear to me that that is true.
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I hope you are correct, but my interactions with the nieces and nephews (20s and 30s) have caused me concerns. They view that this pandemic is over since none of their friends are getting real sick....
It’s not clear to me that that is true.
That no at around ~25% looks unshakable and is just depressing.
Very interesting website.Well, at least above 65, the hard no is “only” 14%. Insane partisan skew, too. Misinformation and propaganda really work, especially with nice insular echo chambers!
In the beginning my wife wished she could drag the COVID deniers through her ICU to see what COVID could do to people. Now the hospitals here are pretty well cleared out, but now it is her office that is full of long haulers. And now the deniers think because few people are being hospitalized that COVID isn't a problem. And only about 50% of the hospital staff has taken the vaccine. These people should all know better. What's the solution if people who have seen what COVID can do won't take it?I hope you are correct in future trends. But some of these health workers saying "pass" are people that could get the vaccine in an hour if they wanted and in some cases get paid $500 to get it. Worse, they work with patients coming and could pass Covid onto someone coming in for an angioplasty, colonoscopy, or a twisted ankle.
And as the vaccination of older people completes, this hesitancy may get worse. A lot of younger people think it is not a big deal if they get Covid since statistically their risk of death or severe illness is low. However, that means they can still pass it along and become carriers for new varients for which the current vaccines are ineffective. If that happens we could end up in another cycle while we wait for boosters that work against the new variant. We really need to get everyone vaccinated ASAP.
I hope you are correct, but my interactions with the nieces and nephews (20s and 30s) have caused me concerns. They view that this pandemic is over since none of their friends are getting real sick.
... What's the solution if people who have seen what COVID can do won't take it?
I've heard the opposite. But yes, lots of opportunities to sigh ...I had someone tell me that natural immunities are better than "artificial" ones from a vaccine.
So their argument was that they were better off catching it and developing their own immunities instead of taking the vaccine.
...sigh...
I had someone tell me that natural immunities are better than "artificial" ones from a vaccine.
So their argument was that they were better off catching it and developing their own immunities instead of taking the vaccine.
...sigh...
If you let them expire, you don't get fired. Heck of a system.State investigation uncovers 2,400 vaccine doses expired in Shelby County, other issues with vaccine management
* The investigation uncovered seven instances of vaccine waste amounting to the loss of more than 2,400 doses. Previously, the health department reported the loss of about 1,300 vaccine doses.
* TDH personnel found six different expiration events between Feb. 3 and Feb. 12 and a seventh Feb. 15. Piercey said only the last incident was weather-related.
* Piercey said the waste incidents occurred when an entire tray of vaccine was defrosted but was more than needed. Instead of deploying the doses for distribution, they were allowed to expire.
* Piercey also said the investigation found 51,000 doses in inventory -- an excess of about 30,000 doses -- set to expire March 6.
State investigation uncovers 2,400 vaccine doses expired in Shelby County, other issues with vaccine management
* The investigation uncovered seven instances of vaccine waste amounting to the loss of more than 2,400 doses. Previously, the health department reported the loss of about 1,300 vaccine doses.
* TDH personnel found six different expiration events between Feb. 3 and Feb. 12 and a seventh Feb. 15. Piercey said only the last incident was weather-related.
* Piercey said the waste incidents occurred when an entire tray of vaccine was defrosted but was more than needed. Instead of deploying the doses for distribution, they were allowed to expire.
* Piercey also said the investigation found 51,000 doses in inventory -- an excess of about 30,000 doses -- set to expire March 6.
One thing I don't understand is this extreme fatigue. What causes it? I could understand how low oxygen could cause it but that isn't the case. For example, her husband was getting over the thing and decided to take his dog for a walk. A short time into the walk, he couldn't go any farther and turned around and went home straight to bed! I heard the same thing from a friend of my wife who had it months ago. She was ten days post infection and took the dog for a walk. Almost could not make it back home. Neither one had pneumonia or other lung involvement.
One of my sisters up in VA got it recently. Her husband, too. They're both microbiologists (and are retired from big pharma, etc.). Anyway, they had a somewhat different course through the thing from other people I've known. Their main symptom was extreme fatigue. No fever, no dry cough, no low pulse ox, no loss of taste/smell, etc. Her husband, who has several comorbidities, was got an offer by his doctor to be in a trial of Bamlanivimab through UVA. He had his infusion recently and reports no issues from it.
One thing I don't understand is this extreme fatigue. What causes it? I could understand how low oxygen could cause it but that isn't the case. For example, her husband was getting over the thing and decided to take his dog for a walk. A short time into the walk, he couldn't go any farther and turned around and went home straight to bed! I heard the same thing from a friend of my wife who had it months ago. She was ten days post infection and took the dog for a walk. Almost could not make it back home. Neither one had pneumonia or other lung involvement.
PS. I'm a computer programmer and, basically, allergic to Biology (I just don't get it!).
You said no low pulse ox. Hmm. Did he measure pulse ox while walking? It seems to me it could drop transiently if things are out of whack but not “admit to the hospital” bad. Seems from the Wikipedia silent hypoxia page there is some evidence of this:
“A tool used to diagnose silent hypoxia is the "six-minute walk test," (6MWT), wherein a patient walks at a normal pace for six minutes, in order to monitor their physiological response.[19] It has been proven that, after performing the 6MWT, COVID-19 patients were more likely to develop exercise-induced hypoxia without symptoms than non-COVID-19 patients who suffered from idiopathic pulmonary fibrosis.[20] The condition can also be first detected by using prehospital pulse oximetry.[21][22]”
You say no pneumonia or lung involvement either though...did they get X-rays, etc, I guess? It does sound like it is perhaps hard to see some more “minor” damage via standard imaging, though (see below).
I don’t know about general fatigue, but the issues with exertion might be due to that silent hypoxia (even when recovering?). If you start exercising you quickly hit the limits and go anaerobic if your lungs are damaged. No hiding that you have no oxygen to work with at that point.
From OPINION EXCHANGE | What I learned during 10 days of treating COVID pneumonia
Three reasons why COVID-19 can cause silent hypoxia: Biomedical engineers use computer modeling to investigate low blood oxygen in COVID-19 patients
In the end it sounds like they don’t completely understand it but have gotten better at treating severe cases. Early intervention is key too - which is why seeking medical care in “mild” cases might be advisable. It may also be why Trump survived (or at least did not have more severe lung damage).
I don’t know though. Maybe the fatigue is something entirely different. Weird vascular disease. Don’t want to get it. 0.1% chance of death (for me) is really really bad! And considerably higher risk of lung damage.
I guess if pulse ox was normal while exercising that kind of rules that out.