AlanSubie4Life
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The COVID conspiracy must not be allowed to continue! We must bring to the forefront those erudite scientists who were right all along. Like Dr. Jay B, so great and rigorous.
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Misunderstood your reaction. But brain mapping is not a treatment, it's a diagnostic tool. All diseases leave certain patterns through the body. One of the problems treating COVID and post-COVID symptoms is the patterns are somewhat scattershot with many of the diagnostic tools. With brain maps there is a pattern that can be discerned after someone has had COVID.
It's easier to treat a disease when you can see the patterns left by it.
dhanson865
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No one that understands it would talk about it as a treatment. Giving Vit D to someone after they are in intensive care for any reason isn't going to cure anything that put them in intensive care. No more than giving a condom to a pregnant women would cure that.
Any serious studies have measured the benefit of having sufficient Vit D before you get sick and in the early stages, not as some miracle cure.
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Fair enough. I suggest you read the following synopses for more information.
Vitamin D to fight COVID-19? Not so fast.
Remember hydroxychloroquine? Yes, there were anecdotes and observational studies, but, no, it flunked the gold standard for evidence, randomized controlled trials. Ditto with ivermectin. Now the man named “the most influential spreader of coronavirus misinformation online” is promoting another...
An editorial synopsis from NEJM regarding the findings of the VITAL study that looked at Vit D supplements.
dhanson865
Well-Known Member
Fair enough. I suggest you read the following synopses for more information.
Vitamin D to fight COVID-19? Not so fast.
Remember hydroxychloroquine? Yes, there were anecdotes and observational studies, but, no, it flunked the gold standard for evidence, randomized controlled trials. Ditto with ivermectin. Now the man named “the most influential spreader of coronavirus misinformation online” is promoting another...www.cspinet.org
Yeah, that's a response with the mindset of using Vit D as a "cure" after the fact. Totally bogus. The serious studies are looking at before infection or before major symptoms start after infection.
You linking to anyone that talks about how it isn't a post infection cure for those that are already having major symptoms doesn't address that distinction.
It's a straw man argument to say Vit D isn't a miracle cure for everything. I'm not even saying it's a miracle cure for one thing.
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PACEMD
Active Member
So the suggestion is people without a suntan do worse with covid, so maybe pump in some vitamin D at some point or not? What about a tanning booth? Or better yet tan their backs. Prone in a tanning booth should be twice as good. How do folks with scurvy do when they get covid? And have we even looked at the benefits of handing out condoms to pregnant women or are we just making assumptions? What about pregnant women with scurvy?
PACEMD
Active Member
Just messin' wid yous......but seriously, how bout them essential oils?
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It feels like you are trying to confuse the issue, going on about cures, but I linked to studies that have so far failed to show vitamin D works for prevention. As in, the NIH says no evidence for prevention (or treatment) for Covid. I also linked a large study that shows that supplements don't work for prevention for anything, with the exception of some small subpopulations which were excluded from the studies because for them, the damage had already been done.
But if you are aware of some excellent RCTs that show Vit D supplements work for prevention that the NIH and the other respected journals have ignored, please share. I am all ears.
I spent decades recommending Vitamin D supplements without evidence. And frankly, I am appalled that I did it. But I followed the supposed standard of care at the time.
SDRick
Active Member
I came across this article/opinion on vitamin D. They make it sound like a blockbuster ingredient. If "Big Pharma" could have gotten a patent on it I think we would see even more promotion given what they are saying in the article. It appears that there is no money in vitamin D since it costs only pennies per dose. The article lists almost 100 references. I will leave it to the physicians and science guys on this thread to evaluate.
www.lifeextension.com
Startling Findings About Vitamin D - page 1 - Life Extension
No other nutrient, drug, or hormone has gained more scientific credibility than vitamin D.
Well, this advertisement from 2010 has references dating back to the 1930s. Some are not available, but yes, Vitamin D does treat rickets. I did not check all of the older references, but the most "startling" ones seemed to be observational studies, or mouse studies, not CRT in healthy humans.I came across this article/opinion on vitamin D. They make it sound like a blockbuster ingredient. If "Big Pharma" could have gotten a patent on it I think we would see even more promotion given what they are saying in the article. It appears that there is no money in vitamin D since it costs only pennies per dose. The article lists almost 100 references. I will leave it to the physicians and science guys on this thread to evaluate.
Startling Findings About Vitamin D - page 1 - Life Extension
No other nutrient, drug, or hormone has gained more scientific credibility than vitamin D.
So, yes, vitamin D is a vitamin and there is such a thing as vitamin D deficiency and there are conditions associated with deficiency. That isn't the same as widely recommending vitamin D supplementation in the healthy general population to prevent conditions/infections/disease.
Tiger
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JRP3
Hyperactive Member
Waste water levels increasing again in the Northeast, still down in the rest of the US.
dhanson865
Well-Known Member
Deaths dropping but no where near summer levels (chart ends at Jan 31)
The most recent Peak was at 592 on Jan 14th
Still waiting for it to someday drop below 200 (which we haven't seen since Mar 25th 2020 (in the earliest days of the pandemic)).
The most recent Peak was at 592 on Jan 14th
Still waiting for it to someday drop below 200 (which we haven't seen since Mar 25th 2020 (in the earliest days of the pandemic)).
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dhanson865
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PBS coverage on Long Covid from a day or two ago. Stat at the end is that it's estimated 65 million people have Long Covid.
Doggydogworld
Active Member
The data is real, the interpretation is "Florida". A massive vaccination program will naturally produce a big jump in adverse event reporting. Especially with a brand new vaccine and double-especially when many are being forced to get it to keep their job or whatever.
US Covid vax rate dropped from 1.5m/day average in 2021 to 0.5m/day in 2022. That explains the bulk of the drop in adverse reports. The rest of the drop is due to the shot being more familiar by 2022 and the population of those getting 3rd/4th/5th/etc. shots in 2022 are much less likely to freak out about a real or imagined side effect than those who stopped after 1-2 shots.
VAERS is self reporting. Sad that a State Health Dept doesn't comprehend what that means. By 2022 a lot of the fraudulent posters probably gave up and moved on to some other activity.
Posts continue to misrepresent VAERS COVID-19 vaccine data
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