Coronavirus

[Singer3000]

Oh well. Following tonight’s UK govt presser that’s me and my entire family in self isolation for 3 months.

 

[dfwatt]

I think the Prius, Chevy Bolt, BMW-i, & Porsche-Taycan forums have got nothin on us!
Thank you all for your insights! I have learned more useful things about Covid-19 and the medical & societal implications here than anywhere else. You clinical folks have gathered the data and have shared it intelligently with the rest of us looking for sensible advice.
It is a testimony to the sharp and forward thinking our general Tesla family has.

Yes there are a lot of smart people on the Tesla forum for sure. As somebody once said "we are smarter than the average bear . . . hey Boo Boo I think I see a picanic basket!

 

[MXLRplus]

Well, my wife called, there is toilet paper and pasta at the store again.
The kids are home from college and healthy.
My employees are all alive, healthy so far, and back in the USA.
I don't have to sell TSLA stock to make payroll.
The bank let me have money to buy a Tesla.

And it stopped raining.

I'd say things could be a heck of lot worse here in Southern California.

 

[Cosmacelf]

Apologies if I misconstrued your prior post. I thought you were suggesting that the isolation and shutdown was premature? If you are not saying that again my apologies. So we are in agreement then that the federal response has been a joke? Not the state responses those have been pretty uniformly responsible and pretty timely. All this is going to make me a federalist yet! Kidding!

Yeah, no I wasn't saying anything the desirability of the mitigation efforts. I did say we don't know well the mitigation measure will work meaning how well will they be followed or enforced, or whatever.

There are YouTube videos floating around showing apartment building doors being welded shut in China. I have no idea how real this is, but I would have no trouble believing that China's response has been more, ah, robust, than what we are doing. And South Korea used aggressive location tracking of its citizens, something I doubt would fly here.

Yet we have corporations here shutting down access to public facilities. So, I don't think anyone knows how well any of this will work. We shall see.

 

[SageBrush]

Unfortunately, it's a bad enough flu to crash healthcare systems if nothing is done, which causes people to die needlessly.

It's also shown that the west's response to pandemics has two modes: 1) Do nothing but quarantines and token gestures, without any real behavior modifications, particularly in schools and workplaces where it matters; and 2) Realize that #1 didn't work, freak out and lock down everything and mandate people stay in their homes except to buy the bare necessities.

yup

 

[dfwatt]

Yeah, no I wasn't saying anything the desirability of the mitigation efforts. I did say we don't know well the mitigation measure will work meaning how well will they be followed or enforced, or whatever.

There are YouTube videos floating around showing apartment building doors being welded shut in China. I have no idea how real this is, but I would have no trouble believing that China's response has been more, ah, robust, than what we are doing. And South Korea used aggressive location tracking of its citizens, something I doubt would fly here.

Yet we have corporations here shutting down access to public facilities. So, I don't think anyone knows how well any of this will work. We shall see.

I certainly wouldn't debate the harsh trade-offs in relationship to these measures, especially the ones that truly deprived people of their social liberties. I'm no big fan of the Chinese system. But they did show that they could completely flatten an absolutely scary and wildly out of control exponential ramp. With Draconian measures. How well will we do? I have no idea but I suspect not as well. It would really help if we knew what we were looking at in terms of having a much more comprehensive picture of what the actual and real rate of infection in the country is right now. Biggest problem is the minimally ill. While they may have nothing to fear from the virus itself they become unwitting transmission vectors into the most vulnerable groups.

It would make such a difference if we had a definitive treatment that would prevent mortality. I know lots of things are in trials and I'm cautiously optimistic that sometime in the next 6 months there will be a protocol for treating those more severely ill patients that significantly improves their chances of survival. And I don't mind disclosing that I'm in a high-risk group so I have some real self-interest in that. All my friends are too so that level of clinical progress would go a long way towards reducing the panic.

 

[Causalien]

Yeah, no I wasn't saying anything the desirability of the mitigation efforts. I did say we don't know well the mitigation measure will work meaning how well will they be followed or enforced, or whatever.

There are YouTube videos floating around showing apartment building doors being welded shut in China. I have no idea how real this is, but I would have no trouble believing that China's response has been more, ah, robust, than what we are doing. And South Korea used aggressive location tracking of its citizens, something I doubt would fly here.

Yet we have corporations here shutting down access to public facilities. So, I don't think anyone knows how well any of this will work. We shall see.

The videos are real. Ppl with contacts in China have known since January.

It was actually worst than that at the height.

 

[SageBrush]

I'm cautiously optimistic that sometime in the next 6 months there will be a protocol for treating those more severely ill patients that significantly improves their chances of survival.

A 'significant improvement' is great news for the profits of the pharma company but may or may not change the health outcomes of these patients to a degree that laypeople can notice, or that would change the public health dynamic.

 

[Cherry Wine]

Of course, they won't talk about the big employment boom in delivery workers...

Exhibit A:

Coronavirus: Safeway seeks to hire thousands amid virus panic

PLEASANTON — Safeway on Monday announced it had launched a mass hiring effort amid the panic shopping unleashed by the Coronavirus crisis, saying it wants to hire thousands in Northern California.

The supermarket giant said it wants to hire both in-store and delivery workers, the company said.

“There are more than 2,000 immediate openings at Safeway, Andronico’s, Vons, and Pak ‘N Save retail stores,” Safeway said Monday.

Pleasanton-based Safeway said the openings were available for stores in Northern California, western Nevada, and Hawaii.

“Deli, meat, bakery, produce, fuel stations and customer service departments,” as well “cashier or courtesy clerk” openings were available, Safeway said.

 

[Earlian]

GERMANY is locking down:
https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=de&tl=en&u=https://www.bundesregierung.de/breg-de/aktuelles/vereinbarung-zwischen-der-bundesregierung-und-den-regierungschefinnen-und-regierungschefs-der-bundeslaender-angesichts-der-corona-epidemie-in-deutschland-1730934

Just an excerpt from the article:

To be closed to the public
- Bars, clubs, discotheques, pubs and similar establishments
- Theaters, operas, concert halls, museums and similar institutions
- Trade fairs, exhibitions, cinemas, amusement and animal parks and providers of leisure activities (indoor and outdoor), special markets, amusement arcades, casinos, betting shops and similar facilities
- prostitution centers, brothels and similar establishments
- the sports business on and in all public and private sports facilities, swimming pools and fun pools, gyms and similar facilities
- all other retail outlets not mentioned elsewhere in this document, in particular outlet centers
- Playgrounds.

To be prohibited
- Get-togethers in clubs and other sports and leisure facilities as well as taking advantage of offers in adult education centers, music schools and other public and private educational institutions outside of school as well as travel by coach
- Meetings in churches, mosques, synagogues and the gatherings of other faith communities.



I hope this wasn't already posted (couldn't find anything similar with the search-word "Germany" in it today).

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Anecdote of the day, that shows, how daily life formulations are changing:

When you say goodbye to people, normally it is something like: "Goodbye and have a nice day."

Since today it is: "Goodbye and stay healthy!."

 

[traxila]

I live in a part of NY that has only 1 confirmed case. Even so, NY has shut down most everything (schools, restaurant, bars, etc.). A lot of people are going to be losing their jobs. Seems extreme but Im no expert. Wish they had a way to do mass testing so that these extreme measures could possibly be avoided.

Complete failure on our politicians and systems.

 

[cusetownusa]

Complete failure on our politicians and systems.

Yup...NY seems to be doing the most testing but still probably not nearly enough. A drive through testing center is opening near us for people without insurance (or possibly everyone, not sure). So it seems like testing efforts are being ramped up.

Our population density is way lower than say NYC, so I would imagine it would be easier to control things here rather than in a densely populated city.

 

[Cherry Wine]

Heather Knight on Twitter

Includes Alameda County (aka Fremont).

BREAKING NEWS: Six Bay Area counties including San Francisco to mandate "shelter in place" at midnight, shuttering all non-essential workers. Grocery stores, banks, hospitals to remain open. Restaurants take-out only. Updates at http://sfchronicle.com.

All public gatherings of any kind outside a living unit are strictly forbidden. All non-essential travel including car and public transit forbidden. Routine medical appointments must be cancelled. Outdoor activity like hiking, walking, running is still OK with social distancing.

...

The directive begins at 12:01 a.m. Tuesday and involves San Francisco, Santa Clara, San Mateo, Marin, Contra Costa and Alameda counties — a combined population of more than 6.7 million. It is to stay in place until at least April 7. Three other Bay Area counties — Sonoma, Solano and Napa — were not immediately included.

 

[sparcs]

Trump says Americans should avoid gatherings of more than 10 people

looks like US is down to 10 people gatherings from the previous 50.

From CNN:

The White House has issued guidelines for Americans during the coronavirus pandemic.

Titled “The President’s Coronavirus Guidelines for America: 15 days to slow the spread," many of the guidelines are broad and have been what the administration and health officials have been saying from the start of the outbreak.

Included in the guidelines:

• People should avoid gathering in groups of more than 10
  
• People should stay away from bars restaurants and food courts, and to not travel if possible.

The guidelines also say states that have seen community spread should close bars, restaurants and other public places, though again, that is not a mandate. Several cities including Philadelphia and San Francisco, and entire states including Maryland have already issued the order for bars and restaurants to close as soon as this evening.

 

[EinSV]

SF Bay Area is expected to issue a "shelter in place" order shortly. Affects 6 counties, 6.7 million people, through April 7 at the earliest.

Bay Area to 'shelter in place:' What you need to know about how life will change with new coronavirus order

 

[MD70]

Will Tesla employees be allowed to commute to work ?

 

[sparcs]

Will Tesla employees be allowed to commute to work ?

They were saying in the other thread that Fremont may be shutdown for 3 weeks.

Manufacturing is essentially shut down in Fremont. I'm guessing they could still have some employees on the software side work from home. Maybe they are already?

 

[Earlian]

2nd impression of the day:

Visit at the local bank: Half of the staff has called in sick. So they either are scared, have to deal with kids at home, or are sick.

One half of businesses are locked down and the other half is already slowed down.

We are only days from army helping with grocery transportation.

Another short impression:

My neighbor is high management of car supplier company. He told me that they already have trouble getting parts and since the borders are locking down it is even getting harder to get their stuff moved. Because employed drivers with fever or cuffs, or family members in quarantine, or that traveled within the corona exclusion zones, aren't allowed to pass borders.

No car parts, no cars, no customers.

If that doesn't trigger a recession, than nothing will.

 

[Nocturnal]

3 week lockdown in San Francisco, that's insane.

 

[Mikedrives]

There seems to be a narrative change in the health community. They are leaning towards not testing mild cases as the treatment is the same as flu. Self isolate and wait 14 days. Even if they have enough testing capacity.

I think they are missing out another argument. By testing mild cases, you allow the person to know that they are now immune or resistant. Immune ppl can go back to reckless spending which is important for the economy.

I have read that some people have already gotten it multiple times, and that you do not develop immunity, not even form the same strain.