Chopr147
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Hey, TMC sounds like a community after all.
Maybe A dysfunctional, disjointed, disabled, discordant, disposable community, but it works
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Hey, TMC sounds like a community after all.
After writing about 5 posts recently and deleting them... I think you are right. If I put about 5 people on ignore, the forum quality improves dramatically. Problem is, for example, one ignore candidate makes very good and useful points when talking about the car, but is a sanctimonious jerk when talking about politics or the company. Oh well. I can miss a few good points while avoiding a ton of venom.It was nice to see a respectful back and forth on this thread! Well done.
I need to give TMC another chance, but with much more liberal use of the ignore feature for the few who can't help themselves.
After writing about 5 posts recently and deleting them... I think you are right. If I put about 5 people on ignore, the forum quality improves dramatically. Problem is, for example, one ignore candidate makes very good and useful points when talking about the car, but is a sanctimonious jerk when talking about politics or the company. Oh well. I can miss a few good points while avoiding a ton of venom.
what can we do?
there is one member who jumps in on nearly EVERY conversation that touches on anything AP to accuse Tesla of fraud... Ugh...
For instance, there is one member who jumps in on nearly EVERY conversation that touches on anything AP to accuse Tesla of fraud
I think that's arguable. Would his goal, for example, be that others succeed so well that Tesla is trampled on and fails? Probably not. I think the argument that Elon is more a selfish business person at times than a man on a mission has some merit to it. Painting it as an unselfish mission is probably not accurate either.
But I do agree with the BEV mission and the world changing personally, and do agree it is a mission for Elon as well. But I do think he'd also want to win it and would IMO probably fight attempts by others to win it, even to the detriment of the mission. (No, I don't think the patent case is any proof to the contrary.)
Superignore?I'd love it if the Ignore function were expanded to also include any posts quoting the ignored content in a response. Then I wouldn't see it at all.
If I put about 5 people on ignore, the forum quality improves dramatically.
There is a balance to be struck, for sure.
I would argue there were times when the atmosphere was chasing away almost all but the most pro-Tesla voices.
It was not good either when a critical experience immediately got a dozen "Go away short!" type of responses as well as some more hidden passive aggressive ones.
Balance...
No. You are once again reframing this discussion to be about pro-Tesla and anti-Tesla sentiment, when that is not the case. It's about communicating with respect. Ignoring members who do not exhibit the kind of conversational tone that one expects doesn't create an echo chamber. There is still plenty of dissent, just dissent that's communicated appropriately. What ignoring does do is remove repetitive, poorly phrased commentary from members who have proven themselves (to the ignorer) to have little positive effect on the discussion. That's vastly different than creating an echo chamber.I'm not sure the quality improves. It enforces your echo chamber, which is more pleasant. But that's no good for evolving your own views.
No. You are once again reframing this discussion to be about pro-Tesla and anti-Tesla sentiment, when that is not the case. It's about communicating with respect. Ignoring members who do not exhibit the kind of conversational tone that one expects doesn't create an echo chamber. There is still plenty of dissent, just dissent that's communicated appropriately. What ignoring does do is remove repetitive, poorly phrased commentary from members who have proven themselves (to the ignorer) to have little positive effect on the discussion. That's vastly different than creating an echo chamber.
I understand that anti-Tesla sentiment is often more abrasive than pro-Tesla sentiment. That's to be expected in a forum like this. But don't frame this as a pro/anti Tesla discussion. You distill it down to something it's not.
Find me one single example of a critical experience drawing a dozen go away short messages. One.There is a balance to be struck, for sure.
I would argue there were times when the atmosphere was chasing away almost all but the most pro-Tesla voices.
It was not good either when a critical experience immediately got a dozen "Go away short!" type of responses as well as some more hidden passive aggressive ones.
Balance...
No. You are once again reframing this discussion to be about pro-Tesla and anti-Tesla sentiment, when that is not the case. It's about communicating with respect.
That is worth discussion, certainly.I guess this is where we disagree. I do not believe it is about communicating with respect alone. The same amount of respect or lack thereof produces different results based on the opinions and biases involved.
It is only human.
That is worth discussion, certainly.
But at least you agree regarding civility, respect, and not taking direct or indirect potshots at others? Yes?