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Delivery/Installation: Rear Facing Child Seats
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Interesting. I am also awaiting rear facing seats, but do not have those latches on the 2nd row. I got my car a few months ago, and perhaps they had not finalized the design at that point. I wonder if this means they will have to remake all or part of the 2nd row for those of us with early deliveries?
kvietor
Model S VIN 168
sublimaze1
8Dec2012 / Leeroy Jenkins
I too:
(1) do not have those anchor points
(2) have had my car over a month
(3) Ordered the third row seats with original bill of sale.
One wonders ....
- addendum -> If I feel with my hand along the upper border of the middle second row seat, I can feel the anchor points under the carpet. Those who have stated they don't see them, feel and see if you can palpate the structure that some see in the earlier versions of the anchor assembly.
(1) do not have those anchor points
(2) have had my car over a month
(3) Ordered the third row seats with original bill of sale.
One wonders ....
- addendum -> If I feel with my hand along the upper border of the middle second row seat, I can feel the anchor points under the carpet. Those who have stated they don't see them, feel and see if you can palpate the structure that some see in the earlier versions of the anchor assembly.
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byt
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Anyone who DIDN'T order the child seats feel the same anchor points under the carpet?
NigelM
Recovering Member
Note to all: please try to include a link to the OP/source if you use someone else's pic.
One thing I noted in reference to the photo with 3 baby seats across the back is that the user manual for the Model S very specifically states not to use more than 2 at a time in the second row. May just be legal, but FWIW it should probably be pointed out.
With people reporting difficulties using the seat belts with booster seats, I'm hoping that the Recaro seats I have for my kids will fit. They are advertised as fitting a lot of sports cars so my guess is that they had narrow seats in mind at the time of production but who knows. I can let you all know when I get the car on that point.
It will be interesting to see if they start delivering the seats in place now with new car builds. I ordered the jump seats and will be getting the car before the end of the month (if all goes well) so I can let you know if nobody finds out before me.
Cheers.
With people reporting difficulties using the seat belts with booster seats, I'm hoping that the Recaro seats I have for my kids will fit. They are advertised as fitting a lot of sports cars so my guess is that they had narrow seats in mind at the time of production but who knows. I can let you all know when I get the car on that point.
It will be interesting to see if they start delivering the seats in place now with new car builds. I ordered the jump seats and will be getting the car before the end of the month (if all goes well) so I can let you know if nobody finds out before me.
Cheers.
I remember it saying never to attach more than 2 seats with the LATCH points, but I don't think it said not to use 3 seats. It would mean one would have to be buckled in.
When I inquired, I was told they just started doing installs and the supply is still very, very tight for the seats. My guess is that they still have a ramp-up period in front of them for a few more weeks. My car is in the Chicago service center for a bunch of stuff and I was hoping we could clear some due-bill items out of the way too...
kishdude
P #130
I didn't order the jump seats and as I feel in the back of the seat, I do feel the indentations where the latches are supposed to be, but these are just indentations, I don't feel anything like a latch. There are indentations in other areas of the seat as well.
I have just palpated my seats. (I'm pretty sure that would be illegal in Mississippi and Utah... :tongue
Anyway, yes, the anchor points are present under the leather, and I did not order the third row seats. So, that's good news. That suggests that they're all this way, and it's just a matter of installing the plastic trim piece and trimming the leather at the proper location.
Edit to respond to kishdude: if I press in deeply enough, I can feel the metal bars running horizontally across those indentations. I think that's what the latches on the seat hook onto.
Agree. With one using the seat belt you would be ok.
I also enquired about my jump seats when I scheduled my delivery for the 26th of this month. They will be a due bill item for me as well.
Cheers.
Does anybody know about the structural rigidity of the rear? The first thing my wife said when I told her about the seats was "what if we get slammed from the back?". I'm hoping that the area where the kids would have their feet would remain intact in an accident.
Now I just need to get my two year old to grow a few more inches and bulk up a few pounds before the car and seats arrive. She'll probably get jealous if my boy is in the back by himself and shes in the second row. Hoping to avoid putting their current Recaro seats in the second row.
Now I just need to get my two year old to grow a few more inches and bulk up a few pounds before the car and seats arrive. She'll probably get jealous if my boy is in the back by himself and shes in the second row. Hoping to avoid putting their current Recaro seats in the second row.
Tell your wife that Elon specified that he wanted the Model S built with NHTSA 5 star crash ratings across the board. then tell her he has the jump seats in his own car. He was pretty specific about safety all around. The independent results are not released yet though. Hope that helps.
FWIW, I'm an Emergency Medicine specialist and have seen a ton of horrific rollover trauma victims and I'm putting my kids in the jump seats. I would worry less about their feet than making sure they are not too tall for the seats. The top of the car is supposed to be strong for rollovers and such, but if the child is too tall and has their head up in the corner of the glass then that could be an issue. But if used as specified in the manual they should be safe enough. Just my 2 cents, and my opinion alone. Good luck with the spouse convincing! Your great great grandchildren will thank you when they can breathe
Cheers.
FWIW, I'm an Emergency Medicine specialist and have seen a ton of horrific rollover trauma victims and I'm putting my kids in the jump seats. I would worry less about their feet than making sure they are not too tall for the seats. The top of the car is supposed to be strong for rollovers and such, but if the child is too tall and has their head up in the corner of the glass then that could be an issue. But if used as specified in the manual they should be safe enough. Just my 2 cents, and my opinion alone. Good luck with the spouse convincing! Your great great grandchildren will thank you when they can breathe
Cheers.
Yeah, I'm not worried. I still ordered the seats anyway. I have a couple years of use ahead for these seats as my kids are only 2 and 5, and the 5 year old is on the short side, just like his mom. Should be able to fit easily under the glass for a while. :biggrin:
I actually remember talking to someone at Tesla - I think at the October Open House in 2011 - that said the safest place in the car may be the rear seats. Structurally I think they designed the rear to be super safe.
EarlyAdopter
Active Member
The Model S is unique, I believe, in that is has the same impact beams in the rear as it does in the front. Also, the rear hatch glass is the same laminated safety glass as the front windshield. It was clearly designed with occupant safety for the rear jump seats foremost in mind. Though, we won't know the results of all that work for certain until independent testing is done.
2012 Tesla Model S First Drive - Motor Trend
"Double-octagon extrusions form the front and rear crumple-zone structures, which are claimed to outperform federal standards, especially in back, where the car was impact tested at 50 mph as well as the mandatory 35. The roof crush resistance is also double the requirement (it broke the crush machine), and the rigid battery pack greatly restricts side-impact intrusion."
2012 Tesla Model S First Drive - Motor Trend
"Double-octagon extrusions form the front and rear crumple-zone structures, which are claimed to outperform federal standards, especially in back, where the car was impact tested at 50 mph as well as the mandatory 35. The roof crush resistance is also double the requirement (it broke the crush machine), and the rigid battery pack greatly restricts side-impact intrusion."
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