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Don't buy FSD for $2k more. [from 2019 - FSD upgrade not available for 2k at this time]
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Knightshade
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I don't know about you, but when I purchased the car, the description stated that it came with all hardware required for FSD. If Tesla cannot make it work with 2.5, then and upgrade is implied.
Knightshade
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Yup.
Same reason back in the 2->2.5 transition Tesla said they'd upgrade all 2.0 cars that bought FSDto 2.5 for free if it turned out that difference mattered to enable FSD features.
In the end, neither allowed for the then-promised FSD features, but HW3 will, so everyone who bought FSD gets HW3.
This is one of the rare places Tesla has been very consistent in their messaging going back years now.
Eno Deb
Active Member
The problem is that they can always redefine what exactly FSD means. They have already moved the goalposts (making things like Summon and NoA, which run just fine on HW2.5, "FSD"). I'm pretty sure it's possible to implement some form of what they are currently promising on the order page - traffic light recognition and "automatic driving on city streets" (which is already possible to some extent) - with HW2.5 if they want to.
So, if it stops at a stop sign, will it then go? Will be impressive if it knows whose turn it is. I predict a lot of overrides (even more so than changing lanes on EAP).
Most likely it will read the sign, stop, and then ask you to confirm on the screen if it is your turn to go.
Knightshade
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It's pretty easy for the car to figure out whose turn it is to go next.
The rub comes in the other drivers following the law correctly or not.
The rub comes in the other drivers following the law correctly or not.
Ok
I disagree, would the computer be able to figure out whose turn it was when three cars arrive at the intersection simultaneously? I see no reason to believe it would.
I disagree, would the computer be able to figure out whose turn it was when three cars arrive at the intersection simultaneously? I see no reason to believe it would.
In that case it should just floor the accelerator...won't matter whose turn it is. 
Knightshade
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So first- they probably didn't really arrive simultaneously
And a computer would likely do a better job than a human judging which actually arrived first.
Second, if all 3 actually DID arrive at exactly the same time, the one with nobody to his right goes first per typical traffic laws and the car would know who that is too.
I fail to see why it wouldn't work better than 99% of human drivers.
If implemented correctly it has a number of advantages over the human driver.
From the mapping information it knows if it's a 2 way, 3 way, or 4 way stop and how it should handle the stop.
It's always paying attention and can see when the other cars arrived.
It knows the rules regarding who can go first (like the one to the right if people arrive simultaneously).
It doesn't have an ego of "I'm in the nicest/biggest car so I get to go first"
It doesn't suffer from "Please don't hurt my precious"
In fact it's the one are which I absolutely plan on using FSD for to augment my own eyes/mind/interpretation.
Now I don't expect FSD to be perfect at handling these stops.
It has no way to signal to another driver to go for times when another driver doesn't follow the rules.
It's not in tune with human behavior
Human drivers will learn to bully it
SunCharged
Member
Any luck getting the 2k price? Still showing 3k for me in my tesla account.
rking0122
Member
Yes. The SC hadn't done it before so it took about an hour to figure it out. But they did it for me at 2K and I confirmed with Tesla that it is fact provisioned on my car.
rking0122
Member
Best of luck! I did have an appointment...so see how fast you can get in.
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