I think that’s a pretty dumb take. Certainly Elons tweets tonight don’t sound like someone who is backing out.
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What I thought was a well balanced article on Elon - somewhat similar in take to my earlier post in that I think that people on both sides of the political isle are wrong about Elon:
mspohr
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How Elon Musk wields his influence in Sacramento
Behind the Twitter-famous feuds, California's elected officials have shown a lot more love than hate for the billionaire.
www.politico.com
I see the far left and the far right are in a contest to see who can overreact to this the most.
I believe the far left is winning but the far right is trying to close the distance.
mspohr
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This illustrates the quagmire that Elon has naively entered. Everybody has their own idea of "free speech" (which usually means I get to say whatever I want and others should shut up).
I think Elon should stick to "Advancing the world to sustainable energy".
Yeah.... cause there's no conflict or difference of opinion there...
Sustainable as in increasing production to match demand, or sustainable as in cutting demand to meet production?
How dare you waste a precious resource!
How dare you tell me how to use energy!
How dare you put renewal power generation in my line of sight! Especially to export it to that 'other' state.
Nuclear bad!
Wind bad!
Solar bad!
Sadly, probably not sarcastic...
mspohr
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Exactly why he doesn't need another even more controversial quagmire.
Moderator Note: I have moved some recent posts to Elon & Twitter and as I don't bother moderating the Investor section, and those mods seem to be allowing that discussion to occur unfettered (for now), I think it makes sense that any Elon/Twitter chatter occurs there.
This doesn't mean that thread won't be moderated or locked eventually, especially as it becomes a pointless ideological standoff between members, but if you want to argue about things and not change anyone's mind, that's as good a place as any for now.
This doesn't mean that thread won't be moderated or locked eventually, especially as it becomes a pointless ideological standoff between members, but if you want to argue about things and not change anyone's mind, that's as good a place as any for now.
Buckminster
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Broadly speaking improving political discourse is a worthy goal. But it is one that falls outside of musks skillset in my opinion.
That's about the most diplomatic way I can phrase it.
I believe he has said publicly he has Asperger's Syndrome (on the autism spectrum). It's one of the things that makes him so good at what he does do well, but somebody with a disorder that affects social skills should not take up major projects that involve socialization. The skills that make someone a world class surgeon probably don't lend themselves to being a great actor. They are different skill sets. (Someone may be lucky to be gifted in both skill sets, but they are different.)
Culturally we seem to have this generalization that if somebody is excellent in one area that makes them well suited to something else. Occasionally happens, but more often not.
Just because Elon is ticked off at how his favorite social media platform is run doesn't mean he knows how to run it better.
just checking - we aren’t supposed to talk about Elon’s political positioning on the investment thread, the Elon & Twitter thread or the Elon Musk thread right?
Although I respect the mods here, it is really a blind eye to just decide to ignore the very very public CEO of Tesla and pre-determine that his political stance will have no impact on the company or the Tesla community.
Although I respect the mods here, it is really a blind eye to just decide to ignore the very very public CEO of Tesla and pre-determine that his political stance will have no impact on the company or the Tesla community.
Elon should give you guys a call. Sounds like you have expert advise for him and what he should or shouldn’t do with his career and money. He is such a screw up with his career choices. Glad you are offering this great advise.
This entire forum has a no politics rule, and it always has. Currently the Elon & Twitter thread is being permitted a lot of leeway and it’s a beautiful example of why we have that politics rule.
I attempted to explain the rule in this post. As I mention there, the mods are enforcing rules made by the admins. Reach out to them if you think rules should be changed.
CLK350
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I don't think folks, even here realize (or want to see) that Elon's latest move is perfectly in tune with what he has been doing forever: when he sees abnormal, large dysfunctional issues that can be addressed, he does go after them.
He did start with the one he figured out while in his first stint as intern in a Canadian bank: why are we still paying with checks for online purchases, as well as other inefficiencies in the financial system. Fortunately he didn't get to go beyond selling his stake to what would eventually be Paypal. Because he would have tried to go against a rather huge behemoth.
That same behemoth, the financial industry ( see www.cabonbubble.net ) has been the true enemy of Tesla, pushing the SEC and the mass media FUD all along.
Now Tesla can't be stopped, only slowed down. Not only does Tesla have the best tech and best manufacturing, best products in high demand everywhere regardless of the FUD, they also don't depend on Wall Street anymore re financing needs: besides their cash generating gigafactories, the Chinese are eager to continue and help them. Because the Chinese aims align with Tesla's (They do not have oil & gas reserves, nor atomic plants for energy).
The real obstacle to Tesla then can now be tackled, and rather than buy politicians or lobbyists Elon prefers rallying public opinion, and therefore votes, to change the political landscape currently owned by the mafia like big corps ( BlackRock and Vanguard and whoever controls them, see How BlackRock, Vanguard, and UBS Are Screwing the World ).
This is a gutsy move on Elon's side, but REALLY is an even bigger challenge than Tesla was. And I think Elon has the tools to address it successfully.
1. Tech. Social platform engineering has been immensely successful in manipulating the masses. See what Facebook was able to accomplish or was complicit in letting other accomplish. With bots and social engineering boxing people into echo chambers, then manipulating them.
Tesla's FSD requirements pushed it to actually come closer to solving the AGI problem than anyone else. Once the FSD issue is solved with Dojo and their NN algos, they can tackle social engineering with the same tech, using Twitter posters as pilots for learning purposes.
2. Psych issues (and their political ramifications). Elon certainly has thought a lot about the basics. For those who claim he hasn't the knowledge of specialists in the field: like for rockets, Elon is a quick learner, *AND* he is excellent at hiring and attracting the best in the field.
These are off the cuff notes; please feel free to amplify or correct any of this. Hopefully the mods won't wipe this post. The main investment thread is probably (and rightfully so) wary in engaging the Twitter issue, but time will tell if this was a good decision. Not only will the Twitter thing hugely influence TSAL the SP, but it itself may become a large profitable investment in itself (which is why Elon created X holding companies recently too).
alstoralset
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I've updated my shrine. The Ayn Rand one was getting a little dated.
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Daniel in SD
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Ok, which one of you is this? This tattoo is going to look pretty silly if the Twitter deal doesn't close.
AquaY
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The level of arrogance in this post is fantastic.
yes, you are so much smarter than Elon Musk.
it was so good at first I thought oh he’s just being sarcastic. Weird but okay.Then I remembered some of your other posts and realized you actually believe this.
just for the record. If I ever played basketball against Lebron James I’d score at least 500 points over him because I am the worlds greatest athlete. I’m also a better race car driver than Dale Earnhardt Sr and Jr ever were.
oh and don’t get me started on my music. I’m a better composer than Bach , Mozart and Beethoven put together
Did I mention Physics? Albert Einstein and Stephen Hawkins were idiots compared to me.
Let me put it this way. Have you ever heard of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates?
Morons!
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