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Why write this post?
A lot of people are starting to get interested in IO. I don't think Octopus do a very good job of spelling out the benefits in their website. They have some FAQs, but the same questions keep coming up over and over on the forums.

What is it?
In a nutshell, IO is a split tariff that gives you a cheap off-peak rate for charging your EV and other electrical items in the household, including home batteries.

Isn’t that the same as Octopus Go or Go Faster?
The principle is the same, but in exchange for some benefits which we’ll explain, you allow Octopus to control the timing of your EV charge, so they can choose low carbon intensity and/or cheap wholesale priced time slots.

So I’m not in control of my charge? I don’t like the sound of that!
Well yes…and no. You’re in control of how much to charge and when you want the car to be ready, just like you would be normally. Within those parameters, you’re allowing Octopus to control which half-hour slots the car chooses to get to that target % charge. And you can always override IO if you want to “bump charge” through the day.

OK, but what are the benefits you mentioned for this trade off?
First of all, you get a larger guaranteed off-peak window for using household appliances and charging home batteries, etc. It’s six hours between 23:30-05:30. Go, for example, is a fixed 4 hour window.
In addition, when IO schedules your EV charging slots it sometimes creates schedules that fall outside of the fixed, six hour window. If that happens your EV charging and all your household use in these extra-slots is also charged at off-peak rates.
I have frequently had schedules give me seven or more hours of off-peak rates. On one occasion, I had a total of ten hours of off-peak rates.

Am I eligible?
You need a smart meter and a compatible car and/or charger. Since you’re reading this here, I assume you’ve got or are thinking of getting a Tesla. IO works with the Tesla API to create the charging schedules. The advantage of this is that IO will work with any* home charger. If you have a charger with smart features, you need to disable them so that the charger acts as a dumb switch. IO will control everything via Tesla’s API to start and stop your charging.
*Even your granny charger - but you need to tell IO what the max throughput is when you go through setup so that it can work out your schedules properly.

Some of this sounds too good to be true.
Phantom drain caused by having smart charging enabled in the Octopus app has been fixed as of 30th August 2022. One small side effect appears to be that schedules sometimes take longer to appear in the app after plugging in.

Further questions (to be updated in the main thread body once the edit timer on this post expires)

I have two EVs, can I charge the other while on IO?

Not with IO scheduling the charging, but you can charge any other car in the fixed 23:30-05:30 off peak window or at any other time at peak prices.

What are the rates etc?
Octopus do a decent job of explaining the peak and off-peak rates along with contracts etc. Head over to their pages to discover that.

I asked for a target % of x, but I got less than x.
There are two or three reasons for this.

The first, most common reason, is that Tesla reports battery % differently depending on where you look. The API (that IO uses) reports the gross battery %. This is generally fixed but can fluctuate very slightly. The Tesla app shows usable %. Apps like Teslamate and Teslafi can display both. Quite often, there is a delta of 2-3% which may be down to battery temp or other factors. This usable % will often be recovered as the battery warms up during a drive.

Some users have reported charging % being way off, perhaps 10% or more. This could be down to an error in the onboarding process. Some of the charger database entries incorrectly assume the charger you are onboarding is the 11kW version, without actually saying so in the charger description. The Andersen A2 was an early example of this. If you suspect this may be the case, the easiest thing to do is go through the on-boarding again and choose "Generic 7.4kW charger". It won't affect your functionality on IO in any way.

Lastly, it has to be mentioned that occasionally IO just craps out. It may be down to a comms error, a server error at Octopus' end, or just reasons. IO is a beta product and it's wise to expect one or two quirks from time to time
 
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I setup IO yesterday and added my car. A Tesla Model 3 SR Plus with the LFP battery that charges to 100%. I set a charge limit of 100%, told the app I needed the car ready for 0730 this morning, turned off schedule charging in the Tesla app and went to bed happy. The battery was at 89%.
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I woke up this morning, checked the app and saw this. How am I going to get a 100% battery in 30 minutes of charge and why didn't I get a charge overnight when the grid is quiet? The car has now finished charging, is at 97% and the app is telling me my smart charging schedule is 0700-0730.

Very confused.
 
why didn't I get a charge overnight when the grid is quiet?
You don’t know what the wholesale prices are doing. They’re not always necessarily cheapest during the night. It’s a windy and sunny day today so quite possibly a lot of renewable production, which would make energy cheaper in the daytime than night.

As for the charge…. Does your car not charge at approximately 15% per hour on a 32A charger?
 
You don’t know what the wholesale prices are doing. They’re not always necessarily cheapest during the night. It’s a windy and sunny day today so quite possibly a lot of renewable production, which would make energy cheaper in the daytime than night.

As for the charge…. Does your car not charge at approximately 15% per hour on a 32A charger?
Hi, thanks for the reply.

So what you're saying is if I set the charge limit to 100% and my ready time for 0700 because I need to leave for work with a full battery, then if no cheap energy is available I wake up with a battery charge at the same level as it was when I went to bed?

That seems exceptionally useless in the real world.
 
Hi, thanks for the reply.

So what you're saying is if I set the charge limit to 100% and my ready time for 0700 because I need to leave for work with a full battery, then if no cheap energy is available I wake up with a battery charge at the same level as it was when I went to bed?

That seems exceptionally useless in the real world.
You have guaranteed off peak electric 23:30-05:30, if IO chooses a better slot it’s at off peak rates. It will charge your car to what You set it to in the Tesla app, sometimes it’s off a few percent When it’s up to 100%
 
Hi, thanks for the reply.

So what you're saying is if I set the charge limit to 100% and my ready time for 0700 because I need to leave for work with a full battery, then if no cheap energy is available I wake up with a battery charge at the same level as it was when I went to bed?

That seems exceptionally useless in the real world.
As @Yuff said, you should always get the desired charge target but the slots may not necessarily be when you expect them to be.
If you need to leave by 0700 and it’s dirty and expensive electricity all night then that’s what you’ll get.
But if you plug the car in at 1700 to be ready for 0700 and wholesale electricity is cheaper in the afternoon (for whatever reason) you may well have charging slots earlier as well as the guaranteed cheap electricity between 2330 and 0530.
 
Are the smart charge slots assigned available via the Octopus API?

Yes they are under "planned dispatches"
It's a different API to the standard tariffs

Important to point out that planned dispatches is dynamic, contains all the slots that might happen and is not equal to the charge slots you will actually get, so don't plan your usage around them. The Home Assistant integration works, because it queries the GraphQL API every few minutes to see if a slot is *actually* going to be used.
 
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Important to point out that planned dispatches is dynamic, contains all the slots that might happen and is not equal to the charge slots you will actually get, so don't plan your usage around them. The Home Assistant integration works, because it queries the GraphQL API every few minutes to see if a slot is *actually* going to be used.
I query mine every 1/2 hour outside of the 23:30-05:30 slot and when charging starts at home just to make sure
 
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I'm going to admit I'm mystified as to how this works. I expected to get a cheap charge between 2330-0530.

I've just got home with 78% battery, plugged in and the car starts charging immediately. I can see it on the screen in the car.

My Octopus app shows the screen below. No indication that it is charging the car?

So is Octopus doing this charge. Or, because I've turned off scheduled charging in the Tesla app, has that app taken over and is just charging the car no matter what the KW per hour rate is? I'm really confused.
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Thanks, yes I've done that. I'll wait to see if IO gives me a charge later on. Is this something I'll have to do each time I plug in the charger. Stop the charge and wait. No big drama if that is the case but I'd like to understand if this is what I need to do, or if something is awry. Thanks!
 
Thanks, yes I've done that. I'll wait to see if IO gives me a charge later on. Is this something I'll have to do each time I plug in the charger. Stop the charge and wait. No big drama if that is the case but I'd like to understand if this is what I need to do, or if something is awry. Thanks!
Yes, you will have to do that every time you plug in, unless you set the start time to something like 7am in the Tesla car. Then it doesn't start a charge until IO makes a schedule or if IO fails it will start charging on peak-rate at 7am, as a back-up...
 
So is Octopus doing this charge. Or, because I've turned off scheduled charging in the Tesla app, has that app taken over and is just charging the car no matter what the KW per hour rate is? I'm really confused.
Back in the early days of IO, Octopus used to send control codes very frequently, which would switch off the wall charger less than a minute after plugging in. The problem with this is that it prevented the Tesla from sleeping when not plugged in to the charger causing phantom drain (the equivalent of leaving sentry on permanently). Naturally, this caused a lot of complaints.

To get around this, Tesla reduced their API polling rate which allows the car to fall asleep naturally. But the downside is that it's slower to switch off charging when you plug in. To get around it as the others have said, just manually turn it off in the Tesla app after you plug in. Soon becomes second nature.
 
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Hi all, hoping someone can help me diagnose an issue.

Yesterday I plugged my car into my podpoint as always, it stopped charging after a minute or so, and the octopus app set the schedule accordingly. When opening the car today I realised it hadn’t charged.

I’ve just got home, plugged in again, charging stopped after Approx 60 seconds as I’d expect, however I notice the LED on the pod point is red. Usually it would be flashing green to show it is waiting to start a scheduled charge.

Anyone with any idea as to what might be going wrong? Not had this issue in the 2 months I’ve had the Tesla and pod point.

Cheers all
 
Hi all, hoping someone can help me diagnose an issue.

Yesterday I plugged my car into my podpoint as always, it stopped charging after a minute or so, and the octopus app set the schedule accordingly. When opening the car today I realised it hadn’t charged.

I’ve just got home, plugged in again, charging stopped after Approx 60 seconds as I’d expect, however I notice the LED on the pod point is red. Usually it would be flashing green to show it is waiting to start a scheduled charge.

Anyone with any idea as to what might be going wrong? Not had this issue in the 2 months I’ve had the Tesla and pod point.

Cheers all
Hi all, hoping someone can help me diagnose an issue.

Yesterday I plugged my car into my podpoint as always, it stopped charging after a minute or so, and the octopus app set the schedule accordingly. When opening the car today I realised it hadn’t charged.

I’ve just got home, plugged in again, charging stopped after Approx 60 seconds as I’d expect, however I notice the LED on the pod point is red. Usually it would be flashing green to show it is waiting to start a scheduled charge.

Anyone with any idea as to what might be going wrong? Not had this issue in the 2 months I’ve had the Tesla and pod point.

Cheers all
Ive switched the podpoint off and on at the fuse and flicked smart charging off and on in the octopus app. Pod point now flashing green as I’d expect. See if it charges tonight I guess.
 
Hi all, hoping someone can help me diagnose an issue.

Yesterday I plugged my car into my podpoint as always, it stopped charging after a minute or so, and the octopus app set the schedule accordingly. When opening the car today I realised it hadn’t charged.

I’ve just got home, plugged in again, charging stopped after Approx 60 seconds as I’d expect, however I notice the LED on the pod point is red. Usually it would be flashing green to show it is waiting to start a scheduled charge.

Anyone with any idea as to what might be going wrong? Not had this issue in the 2 months I’ve had the Tesla and pod point.

Cheers all
Hi,

If the podpoint is has a red light it is an issue at with your podpoint or prior to it.

The advise from podpoint is to do as you have done. Reset and try again. Pod Point | Technical Documents

For me the mini consumer unit had to be changed after a few months when I had this issue.
 
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Hi,

If the podpoint is has a red light it is an issue at with your podpoint or prior to it.

The advise from podpoint is to do as you have done. Reset and try again. Pod Point | Technical Documents

For me the mini consumer unit had to be changed after a few months when I had this issue.
Thanks mate. Having turned on and off at the consumer unit the pod point is now flashing green when plugged into the car so fingers crossed it charges tonight.
 
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