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Why write this post?
A lot of people are starting to get interested in IO. I don't think Octopus do a very good job of spelling out the benefits in their website. They have some FAQs, but the same questions keep coming up over and over on the forums.

What is it?
In a nutshell, IO is a split tariff that gives you a cheap off-peak rate for charging your EV and other electrical items in the household, including home batteries.

Isn’t that the same as Octopus Go or Go Faster?
The principle is the same, but in exchange for some benefits which we’ll explain, you allow Octopus to control the timing of your EV charge, so they can choose low carbon intensity and/or cheap wholesale priced time slots.

So I’m not in control of my charge? I don’t like the sound of that!
Well yes…and no. You’re in control of how much to charge and when you want the car to be ready, just like you would be normally. Within those parameters, you’re allowing Octopus to control which half-hour slots the car chooses to get to that target % charge. And you can always override IO if you want to “bump charge” through the day.

OK, but what are the benefits you mentioned for this trade off?
First of all, you get a larger guaranteed off-peak window for using household appliances and charging home batteries, etc. It’s six hours between 23:30-05:30. Go, for example, is a fixed 4 hour window.
In addition, when IO schedules your EV charging slots it sometimes creates schedules that fall outside of the fixed, six hour window. If that happens your EV charging and all your household use in these extra-slots is also charged at off-peak rates.
I have frequently had schedules give me seven or more hours of off-peak rates. On one occasion, I had a total of ten hours of off-peak rates.

Am I eligible?
You need a smart meter and a compatible car and/or charger. Since you’re reading this here, I assume you’ve got or are thinking of getting a Tesla. IO works with the Tesla API to create the charging schedules. The advantage of this is that IO will work with any* home charger. If you have a charger with smart features, you need to disable them so that the charger acts as a dumb switch. IO will control everything via Tesla’s API to start and stop your charging.
*Even your granny charger - but you need to tell IO what the max throughput is when you go through setup so that it can work out your schedules properly.

Some of this sounds too good to be true.
Phantom drain caused by having smart charging enabled in the Octopus app has been fixed as of 30th August 2022. One small side effect appears to be that schedules sometimes take longer to appear in the app after plugging in.

Further questions (to be updated in the main thread body once the edit timer on this post expires)

I have two EVs, can I charge the other while on IO?

Not with IO scheduling the charging, but you can charge any other car in the fixed 23:30-05:30 off peak window or at any other time at peak prices.

What are the rates etc?
Octopus do a decent job of explaining the peak and off-peak rates along with contracts etc. Head over to their pages to discover that.

I asked for a target % of x, but I got less than x.
There are two or three reasons for this.

The first, most common reason, is that Tesla reports battery % differently depending on where you look. The API (that IO uses) reports the gross battery %. This is generally fixed but can fluctuate very slightly. The Tesla app shows usable %. Apps like Teslamate and Teslafi can display both. Quite often, there is a delta of 2-3% which may be down to battery temp or other factors. This usable % will often be recovered as the battery warms up during a drive.

Some users have reported charging % being way off, perhaps 10% or more. This could be down to an error in the onboarding process. Some of the charger database entries incorrectly assume the charger you are onboarding is the 11kW version, without actually saying so in the charger description. The Andersen A2 was an early example of this. If you suspect this may be the case, the easiest thing to do is go through the on-boarding again and choose "Generic 7.4kW charger". It won't affect your functionality on IO in any way.

Lastly, it has to be mentioned that occasionally IO just craps out. It may be down to a comms error, a server error at Octopus' end, or just reasons. IO is a beta product and it's wise to expect one or two quirks from time to time
 
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I’ve been on Intelligent Octopus a couple of weeks. I stop the charge via the Tesla app
as soon as I plug in otherwise I get charged peak rate.

It seems to take ages for schedule to appear in the app. It’s been nearly an hour and no schedule yet.

Does it take this long for other people normally?

Try turning off the smart charging in the octopus app, then on again. You should then get a schedule fairly quickly.
 
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Thanks - if you could report back the results of that assumption it would be appreciated. I'm considering leaving the toggle on as an abundance of caution, and theoretically it should work fine anyway as IO and Ohme should know if I'm on an off peak window at any time so should not prevent the "intelligent" stuff from working outside of the 6 overnight hours.....
I've just got my bill and all my charging, including preconditioning scheduled within the Ohme app is on the cheaper tariff.
 
I've just got my bill and all my charging, including preconditioning scheduled within the Ohme app is on the cheaper tariff.
Thanks for the info. With mine seemingly just charging straight away whatever time of day I plug in I've been paranoid enough to just set it to schedule charge from 23:30. I do a lot less miles that I used to these days, so I'm not in need of every second of available charge time.
 
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Difficult to answer but my Octopus Intelligent is coming to the end soon. Best to just renew it at the new rates ?

Your current Intelligent Octopus prices
Peak unit rate: 35.05p / kWh
Off-peak unit rate: 7.50p / kWh
Standing charge: 47.86p / day
Estimated annual cost (electricity only): £1,289.34

We've based your estimate on your historical half-hourly usage pattern - that's 2,698 kWh during Intelligent Octopus peak times and 2,253 kWh during Intelligent Octopus off-peak times.
Your new Intelligent Octopus prices
Peak unit rate: 39.50p / kWh
Off-peak unit rate: 7.50p / kWh
Standing charge: 52.32p / day
Estimated annual cost (electricity only): £1,425.53
Flexible Octopus prices
Unit rate: 32.81p / kWh
Standing charge: 52.32p / day
Estimated annual cost (electricity only): £1,633.94
 
Difficult to answer but my Octopus Intelligent is coming to the end soon. Best to just renew it at the new rates ?

Your current Intelligent Octopus prices
Peak unit rate: 35.05p / kWh
Off-peak unit rate: 7.50p / kWh
Standing charge: 47.86p / day
Estimated annual cost (electricity only): £1,289.34

We've based your estimate on your historical half-hourly usage pattern - that's 2,698 kWh during Intelligent Octopus peak times and 2,253 kWh during Intelligent Octopus off-peak times.
Your new Intelligent Octopus prices
Peak unit rate: 39.50p / kWh
Off-peak unit rate: 7.50p / kWh
Standing charge: 52.32p / day
Estimated annual cost (electricity only): £1,425.53
Flexible Octopus prices
Unit rate: 32.81p / kWh
Standing charge: 52.32p / day
Estimated annual cost (electricity only): £1,633.94

Hi, have you looked at the Octopus tracker tariff? It was mentioned several months ago in this thread. Octopus don’t seem to advertise it, I think this is wrong, They should.

They offer it for both gas and elec. I moved to the gas as I’m still on a good IO deal until Sept. The tracker follows the daily wholesale market and the until rate changes daily. It’s been way cheaper than standard tariffs since I moved to this tariff in Feb. 17.7p today for Elec & 3.99p for gas. I’ve saved a lot on my gas as my standard rate was 10.43p. If the wholesale market increase dramatically you can switch back straight away. I just keep an eye on it via the octopus app once a week or so.

Hope that helps. I know mentioning Gas is off topic.
 
Difficult to answer but my Octopus Intelligent is coming to the end soon. Best to just renew it at the new rates ?

Your current Intelligent Octopus prices
Peak unit rate: 35.05p / kWh
Off-peak unit rate: 7.50p / kWh
Standing charge: 47.86p / day
Estimated annual cost (electricity only): £1,289.34

We've based your estimate on your historical half-hourly usage pattern - that's 2,698 kWh during Intelligent Octopus peak times and 2,253 kWh during Intelligent Octopus off-peak times.
Your new Intelligent Octopus prices
Peak unit rate: 39.50p / kWh
Off-peak unit rate: 7.50p / kWh
Standing charge: 52.32p / day
Estimated annual cost (electricity only): £1,425.53
Flexible Octopus prices
Unit rate: 32.81p / kWh
Standing charge: 52.32p / day
Estimated annual cost (electricity only): £1,633.94
its lower than my quote that I got so I would. Nothing else out there that really competes other than OVO Energy, but even trying to get an account with them is close to impossible.
 
Hi, have you looked at the Octopus tracker tariff? It was mentioned several months ago in this thread. Octopus don’t seem to advertise it, I think this is wrong, They should.
There's a 6+ months waiting list for Tracker. It's worth joining the waiting list even if you decide not to proceed when the time comes, but it doesn't solve anyone's dilemma of which tariff to move to in the short term, unfortunately.
 
Received my latest IO bill, with my (low) mileage, I've figured that I would now save money by switching from IO to Tracker actually...
Tracker for electricity over the last 30 days is now falling under 18p/kWh. I'm at 19p average with IO combining the 40p peak / 7.5p off-peak...
Plus I wouldn't have to load shift the dishwasher and washing machine at nights and could do it all day...
 
Received my latest IO bill, with my (low) mileage, I've figured that I would now save money by switching from IO to Tracker actually...
Tracker for electricity over the last 30 days is now falling under 18p/kWh. I'm at 19p average with IO combining the 40p peak / 7.5p off-peak...
Plus I wouldn't have to load shift the dishwasher and washing machine at nights and could do it all day...
I'm in the same position & am now on the Agile tariff for electricity while on the waitlist for Tracker. I work from home, so have a lot of daytime useage, and as a direct result of WFH I also don't use my car much during the week (thus low mileage & less charging), so it's much more expensive for me to pay the IO or Go daytime rates.
 
I’ve found setting the start charging time to 7am in the car means you don't have to stop charging when plugging in the charger and doesn't interfere with the Octopus IO schedules, as they rarely go to that time.
And should IO fail at least you will get some charge in the morning and a notifaction on your phone that your car has started to charge... Not that it's happened to me yet...
 
I've given up with IO as I've realised I've become a personal assistant to the car, arranging schedules, setting agendas, checking the modes. It's like trying to arrange a meeting in Outlook with 3 different managers.

Considering that IO has it's schedule, the (unsupported) zappi has a schedule and the Tesla has a schedule, I've not yet found a failsafe way to give it a charge from 23:30 to 05:30. If anyone has a similar IO --> Zappi --> Tesla setup and has cracked the code, please let me know!
 
I've given up with IO as I've realised I've become a personal assistant to the car, arranging schedules, setting agendas, checking the modes. It's like trying to arrange a meeting in Outlook with 3 different managers.

Considering that IO has it's schedule, the (unsupported) zappi has a schedule and the Tesla has a schedule, I've not yet found a failsafe way to give it a charge from 23:30 to 05:30. If anyone has a similar IO --> Zappi --> Tesla setup and has cracked the code, please let me know!
Eh?

Almost every time I need a charge IO offers me slots sometime between 23.30-05.30 (same with previous Model 3 & current Model Y)

The only 'settings' used...

Car: Target SOC
Zappi: Fast Mode
IO: Same SOC as car & scheduled finish by 05.30

It works correctly every time.
 
Eh?

Almost every time I need a charge IO offers me slots sometime between 23.30-05.30 (same with previous Model 3 & current Model Y)

The only 'settings' used...

Car: Target SOC
Zappi: Fast Mode
IO: Same SOC as car & scheduled finish by 05.30

It works correctly every time.


When I put the Zappi into fast mode, it started charging at 7.7kW right then, and didn't stop. I know that can happen with IO, but it is supposed to see it and postpone the charge until the scheduled window.

What if your car is on 10% and you have set a target of 80%? There's not enough time to get to 80% before 5:30.
 
When I put the Zappi into fast mode, it started charging at 7.7kW right then, and didn't stop. I know that can happen with IO, but it is supposed to see it and postpone the charge until the scheduled window.

What if your car is on 10% and you have set a target of 80%? There's not enough time to get to 80% before 5:30.
Yes the Zappi immediately starts a charge as soon as the car is plugged in but I stop that via the Tesla app after a few seconds. The schedule comes later.

As for needing a longer charge - IO will schedule additional slots before 23.30 but in reality I hardly ever need this.