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Why write this post?
A lot of people are starting to get interested in IO. I don't think Octopus do a very good job of spelling out the benefits in their website. They have some FAQs, but the same questions keep coming up over and over on the forums.

What is it?
In a nutshell, IO is a split tariff that gives you a cheap off-peak rate for charging your EV and other electrical items in the household, including home batteries.

Isn’t that the same as Octopus Go or Go Faster?
The principle is the same, but in exchange for some benefits which we’ll explain, you allow Octopus to control the timing of your EV charge, so they can choose low carbon intensity and/or cheap wholesale priced time slots.

So I’m not in control of my charge? I don’t like the sound of that!
Well yes…and no. You’re in control of how much to charge and when you want the car to be ready, just like you would be normally. Within those parameters, you’re allowing Octopus to control which half-hour slots the car chooses to get to that target % charge. And you can always override IO if you want to “bump charge” through the day.

OK, but what are the benefits you mentioned for this trade off?
First of all, you get a larger guaranteed off-peak window for using household appliances and charging home batteries, etc. It’s six hours between 23:30-05:30. Go, for example, is a fixed 4 hour window.
In addition, when IO schedules your EV charging slots it sometimes creates schedules that fall outside of the fixed, six hour window. If that happens your EV charging and all your household use in these extra-slots is also charged at off-peak rates.
I have frequently had schedules give me seven or more hours of off-peak rates. On one occasion, I had a total of ten hours of off-peak rates.

Am I eligible?
You need a smart meter and a compatible car and/or charger. Since you’re reading this here, I assume you’ve got or are thinking of getting a Tesla. IO works with the Tesla API to create the charging schedules. The advantage of this is that IO will work with any* home charger. If you have a charger with smart features, you need to disable them so that the charger acts as a dumb switch. IO will control everything via Tesla’s API to start and stop your charging.
*Even your granny charger - but you need to tell IO what the max throughput is when you go through setup so that it can work out your schedules properly.

Some of this sounds too good to be true.
Phantom drain caused by having smart charging enabled in the Octopus app has been fixed as of 30th August 2022. One small side effect appears to be that schedules sometimes take longer to appear in the app after plugging in.

Further questions (to be updated in the main thread body once the edit timer on this post expires)

I have two EVs, can I charge the other while on IO?

Not with IO scheduling the charging, but you can charge any other car in the fixed 23:30-05:30 off peak window or at any other time at peak prices.

What are the rates etc?
Octopus do a decent job of explaining the peak and off-peak rates along with contracts etc. Head over to their pages to discover that.

I asked for a target % of x, but I got less than x.
There are two or three reasons for this.

The first, most common reason, is that Tesla reports battery % differently depending on where you look. The API (that IO uses) reports the gross battery %. This is generally fixed but can fluctuate very slightly. The Tesla app shows usable %. Apps like Teslamate and Teslafi can display both. Quite often, there is a delta of 2-3% which may be down to battery temp or other factors. This usable % will often be recovered as the battery warms up during a drive.

Some users have reported charging % being way off, perhaps 10% or more. This could be down to an error in the onboarding process. Some of the charger database entries incorrectly assume the charger you are onboarding is the 11kW version, without actually saying so in the charger description. The Andersen A2 was an early example of this. If you suspect this may be the case, the easiest thing to do is go through the on-boarding again and choose "Generic 7.4kW charger". It won't affect your functionality on IO in any way.

Lastly, it has to be mentioned that occasionally IO just craps out. It may be down to a comms error, a server error at Octopus' end, or just reasons. IO is a beta product and it's wise to expect one or two quirks from time to time
 
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Yes, I'm being signed out almost every other time.
It's a pain to reconnect as for the first few attempts, the app tells me my login details are incorrect (I know they aren't), then, after a few tries, finally accepts it and let me log on again.. I suspect the last app update broke something or they have issues with their auth server.

Also, I'v very frustrated with the silly IO schedules. Today I needed to charge at 100% by 9am.
IO gives me
23:00-4:00
4:00-5:00
5:00-6:00
6:00-7:30
7:30-9:00

instead of a continuous 23:00-9:00
The huge difference is that charging stops probably 15 mins before the end of each slot, then resumes.

First, is all that stop and go wearing the battery prematurely?

Then, As I lost almost 2hrs of charge due to this overnight, I woke up this morning and the battery was at 92% instead of 100%... not really happy about this. When I went to bed, the Tesla app told me it would have reached 100% just before 9am. With all these interruptions, it never made it....
Sorry you didn't get your 8%, but 10 hours at 7.5p? Hard to be too upset.

To be clear, Octopus can and do switch off charging mid-slot for grid balancing. The full HH is off-peak for pricing purposes but there's not a guarantee your car will be charging right across the slot.
 
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Octopus Energy sent me an email today "Tracker is opening up from July 1 – and you're on the list." Has anyone done the maths to figure out where the cost tipping point is for the electricity tracker tariff vs Intelligent Octopus (IO)?

I'm using ~1100kWh of elec per month, of which 80% is on IO's 7.5p overnight tariff (ave. 4 hours/night), 10% is time-shiftable during the day to cheaper slots (e.g. appliances) and 10% is fixed. Trying to figure out how to model this in Tracker...
With that profile I would be extremely surprised if IO wasn't still comforrably cheaper. To estimate the comparison against tracker, I'd model usage at some likely average price points. Take 18p as a "best case", 22p, 26p etc.
 
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Sorry you didn't get your 8%, but 10 hours at 7.5p? Hard to be too upset.

To be clear, Octopus can and do switch off charging mid-slot for grid balancing. The full HH is off-peak for pricing purposes but there's not a guarantee your car will be charging right across the slot.
Given that my monthly avg. price is above Octopus Tracker (I don't have solar), I'm not in awe about the 'generosity' of Octopus giving me 10 hours when I ask, maybe once every other month to get my charging level where I asked, they should be able to do the job, otherwise it's not fit for purpose.
 
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Yes, I'm being signed out almost every other time.
It's a pain to reconnect as for the first few attempts, the app tells me my login details are incorrect (I know they aren't), then, after a few tries, finally accepts it and let me log on again.. I suspect the last app update broke something or they have issues with their auth server.

Also, I'v very frustrated with the silly IO schedules. Today I needed to charge at 100% by 9am.
IO gives me
23:00-4:00
4:00-5:00
5:00-6:00
6:00-7:30
7:30-9:00

instead of a continuous 23:00-9:00
The huge difference is that charging stops probably 15 mins before the end of each slot, then resumes.

First, is all that stop and go wearing the battery prematurely?

Then, As I lost almost 2hrs of charge due to this overnight, I woke up this morning and the battery was at 92% instead of 100%... not really happy about this. When I went to bed, the Tesla app told me it would have reached 100% just before 9am. With all these interruptions, it never made it....
This is the sort of thing that makes me nervous about shifting to IO.
My Go Faster tariff ends on the 19th of June and I’ll be “forced” to move to IO.
Still seems a tad half-baked to me :/
 
Sorry you didn't get your 8%, but 10 hours at 7.5p? Hard to be too upset.

To be clear, Octopus can and do switch off charging mid-slot for grid balancing. The full HH is off-peak for pricing purposes but there's not a guarantee your car will be charging right across the slot.
Well, quite honestly the inconvenience and potential cost of having 10% less charge seems to me to more than offset the potential benefit of having saved a few pennies with the extra cheap slots…
 
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Given that my monthly avg. price is above Octopus Tracker (I don't have solar), I'm not in awe about the 'generosity' of Octopus giving me 10 hours when I ask, maybe once every other month to get my charging level where I asked, they should be able to do the job, otherwise it's not fit for purpose.
Yes makes sense if the average price per KwH on IO is higher than the tracker rate and will make sense for a lot of people who want to guarantee a charge and also may want to charge at different times
 
After 16 months with IO, The lowest achieved SOC I've seen against the target is 1% below what I asked for*

I really don't understand why so many people seem to have issues as this tariff has been extremely reliable for me (...maybe it's because I normally add less than 40% and have departure time set as 05.30 in the app so it's almost always within the standard 6 hour off-peak period).

*that is presumably because it charges to the exact target but drops below soon afterwards - just like supercharging where I unplug when the car reaches the set limit but it's usually lost 1% as I rejoin the motorway.
 
Yes, I'm being signed out almost every other time.
It's a pain to reconnect as for the first few attempts, the app tells me my login details are incorrect (I know they aren't), then, after a few tries, finally accepts it and let me log on again.. I suspect the last app update broke something or they have issues with their auth server.

Also, I'v very frustrated with the silly IO schedules. Today I needed to charge at 100% by 9am.
IO gives me
23:00-4:00
4:00-5:00
5:00-6:00
6:00-7:30
7:30-9:00

instead of a continuous 23:00-9:00
The huge difference is that charging stops probably 15 mins before the end of each slot, then resumes.

First, is all that stop and go wearing the battery prematurely?

Then, As I lost almost 2hrs of charge due to this overnight, I woke up this morning and the battery was at 92% instead of 100%... not really happy about this. When I went to bed, the Tesla app told me it would have reached 100% just before 9am. With all these interruptions, it never made it....
Hi,

I’ve got a few thoughts/ questions
Which you may or may not already be aware of;

(Forgive me if I’m teaching you to suck eggs here.)

What charger are you using?

Does the charger you selected in the Octopus app match exactly the model you have installed?
Some people were having this issue with the calculations being done in the app on the wrong power charger. And hence the final charge state being out. You should double check you have the correct one selected and/or you could try selecting a generic 7kW charger instead and see if playing around with others helps fix your issue.

As you appear to be (regularly?) charging to 100% (in the case you mention, it would appear from almost 0%-100% on a 7kW charger for 10 hrs) I assume you have the newer LFP battery (otherwise you’d be normally charging from 20% to max 80% to preserve the battery health)

If you set a lower limit, say 80%; does it reach this 80% ok (within a couple of percent)? If not and it’s like 6-8% short again it could be the issue above.

Are you able/ can you plug the car in earlier in the evening with a finish time of 05:30 to see if that works better? Also this would give you some slack to add another scheduled to get the last few percent in before 0900 !

Do you have sentry mode disabled at home when you are charging? as this can eat a lot of power, maybe not taken into consideration by the app scheduling.

I know with the car battery we own (2022 MY) it takes significantly longer to charge the last 10-15% because the charging drops off a cliff to help preserve the battery health. Maybe that’s the same of different with the LFP battery?

Some or all of these above could possibly be causing or certainly contributing to the issue you are experiencing.

Achieving the target within 1-2% I think would be acceptable and within reasonable tolerance.

Maybe experimenting with some of the above may help you? Of if not, maybe someone else here has a better idea !

Cheers
 
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I know with the car battery we own (2022 MY) it takes significantly longer to charge the last 10-15% because the charging drops off a cliff to help preserve the battery health. Maybe that’s the same of different with the LFP battery?
Ooooh! This is actually a really good point. The IO algorithm probably assumes a constant charge rate (I guess because most of the times it is) so probably doesn't take into account the extra time needed for the last few percent.
Well spotted!
 
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Waiting to see if IO rates will drop following the new price cap at 30p/kWh.. probably not but one can alway hope.. and the daily rate cap is still incredibly high...
Personnally I'd be super-happy if they took a penny or two off the overnight rate, seeing as my last bill was 96.5% off peak. (747kWh Off-Peak / 27.5kWh Peak)

Gotta love solar and batteries this time of year!

Probably too much to ask TBH?

Used 0.78kWh from the grid today so far... some minor overlaps in appliance usage. Note to self: Must try harder! 😂 😂 😂
 
Well, quite honestly the inconvenience and potential cost of having 10% less charge seems to me to more than offset the potential benefit of having saved a few pennies with the extra cheap slots…

This is the sort of thing that makes me nervous about shifting to IO.
My Go Faster tariff ends on the 19th of June and I’ll be “forced” to move to IO.
Still seems a tad half-baked to me :/
If you are worried about the lack of 10% charge then you don't want to know about the times when the car just doesn't charge over night due to a bug, not sure if they have made any progress in fixing these situations yet.

Based on my current use the average I pay on IO is about 23p per KwH, higher mileage will then reduce this further, you can turn the intelligent part off temporarily and just charge during the 6hr window if you ran into issues, in general the tracker option is starting to look more appealing under 20p per KwH
 
If you are worried about the lack of 10% charge then you don't want to know about the times when the car just doesn't charge over night due to a bug, not sure if they have made any progress in fixing these situations yet.

Based on my current use the average I pay on IO is about 23p per KwH, higher mileage will then reduce this further, you can turn the intelligent part off temporarily and just charge during the 6hr window if you ran into issues, in general the tracker option is starting to look more appealing under 20p per KwH
Oh? This is news to me?
There was that time the dreaded charging-at-16A-instead-of-32A bug but that was fixed a couple of years ago now. Since then charging has been working reliably for me…
Is that a specific IO thing?

With my Powerwalls I am load shifting about 98% of my usage to cheap Go Faster (and soon IO) rates. Tracker can’t beat that.
 
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Octopus Energy sent me an email today "Tracker is opening up from July 1 – and you're on the list." Has anyone done the maths to figure out where the cost tipping point is for the electricity tracker tariff vs Intelligent Octopus (IO)?

I'm using ~1100kWh of elec per month, of which 80% is on IO's 7.5p overnight tariff (ave. 4 hours/night), 10% is time-shiftable during the day to cheaper slots (e.g. appliances) and 10% is fixed. Trying to figure out how to model this in Tracker...
Break even would be below ~13p. Hard to see you beating Tracker if 80% is already off peak at 7.5p and if you have scope to shift a further 10% to off-peak.
 
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