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Why write this post?
A lot of people are starting to get interested in IO. I don't think Octopus do a very good job of spelling out the benefits in their website. They have some FAQs, but the same questions keep coming up over and over on the forums.

What is it?
In a nutshell, IO is a split tariff that gives you a cheap off-peak rate for charging your EV and other electrical items in the household, including home batteries.

Isn’t that the same as Octopus Go or Go Faster?
The principle is the same, but in exchange for some benefits which we’ll explain, you allow Octopus to control the timing of your EV charge, so they can choose low carbon intensity and/or cheap wholesale priced time slots.

So I’m not in control of my charge? I don’t like the sound of that!
Well yes…and no. You’re in control of how much to charge and when you want the car to be ready, just like you would be normally. Within those parameters, you’re allowing Octopus to control which half-hour slots the car chooses to get to that target % charge. And you can always override IO if you want to “bump charge” through the day.

OK, but what are the benefits you mentioned for this trade off?
First of all, you get a larger guaranteed off-peak window for using household appliances and charging home batteries, etc. It’s six hours between 23:30-05:30. Go, for example, is a fixed 4 hour window.
In addition, when IO schedules your EV charging slots it sometimes creates schedules that fall outside of the fixed, six hour window. If that happens your EV charging and all your household use in these extra-slots is also charged at off-peak rates.
I have frequently had schedules give me seven or more hours of off-peak rates. On one occasion, I had a total of ten hours of off-peak rates.

Am I eligible?
You need a smart meter and a compatible car and/or charger. Since you’re reading this here, I assume you’ve got or are thinking of getting a Tesla. IO works with the Tesla API to create the charging schedules. The advantage of this is that IO will work with any* home charger. If you have a charger with smart features, you need to disable them so that the charger acts as a dumb switch. IO will control everything via Tesla’s API to start and stop your charging.
*Even your granny charger - but you need to tell IO what the max throughput is when you go through setup so that it can work out your schedules properly.

Some of this sounds too good to be true.
Phantom drain caused by having smart charging enabled in the Octopus app has been fixed as of 30th August 2022. One small side effect appears to be that schedules sometimes take longer to appear in the app after plugging in.

Further questions (to be updated in the main thread body once the edit timer on this post expires)

I have two EVs, can I charge the other while on IO?

Not with IO scheduling the charging, but you can charge any other car in the fixed 23:30-05:30 off peak window or at any other time at peak prices.

What are the rates etc?
Octopus do a decent job of explaining the peak and off-peak rates along with contracts etc. Head over to their pages to discover that.

I asked for a target % of x, but I got less than x.
There are two or three reasons for this.

The first, most common reason, is that Tesla reports battery % differently depending on where you look. The API (that IO uses) reports the gross battery %. This is generally fixed but can fluctuate very slightly. The Tesla app shows usable %. Apps like Teslamate and Teslafi can display both. Quite often, there is a delta of 2-3% which may be down to battery temp or other factors. This usable % will often be recovered as the battery warms up during a drive.

Some users have reported charging % being way off, perhaps 10% or more. This could be down to an error in the onboarding process. Some of the charger database entries incorrectly assume the charger you are onboarding is the 11kW version, without actually saying so in the charger description. The Andersen A2 was an early example of this. If you suspect this may be the case, the easiest thing to do is go through the on-boarding again and choose "Generic 7.4kW charger". It won't affect your functionality on IO in any way.

Lastly, it has to be mentioned that occasionally IO just craps out. It may be down to a comms error, a server error at Octopus' end, or just reasons. IO is a beta product and it's wise to expect one or two quirks from time to time
 
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Yes, any automatic scheduling by IO will always be charged at the off-peak rate (currently 7.5p).

When you plug in the car will start charging - it may take a few minutes for IO to detect this and stop the car. This always works for me but if it is still charging after 10 mins you can go into the Tesla app and manually stop charging - but it would be worth checking in the IO app that a charge schedule has been set - otherwise disconnect and try again.
I got a good tip somewhere on this forum which has been working well for me for several months on IO;
Set the car schedule to start charging at 2330 - there's then no faff of manually stopping the charge in the Tesla app. IO still successfully creates a schedule and if it wanted to can still start a charge earlier than 2330.

Other benefit is a nice safety net if for whatever reason IO doesn't properly connect to or control the car's charge; the car will start charging at 2330 anyway (but stop again if IO wants it to).
 
I got a good tip somewhere on this forum which has been working well for me for several months on IO;
Set the car schedule to start charging at 2330 - there's then no faff of manually stopping the charge in the Tesla app. IO still successfully creates a schedule and if it wanted to can still start a charge earlier than 2330.

Other benefit is a nice safety net if for whatever reason IO doesn't properly connect to or control the car's charge; the car will start charging at 2330 anyway (but stop again if IO wants it to).
I do this as well
Works a treat :)
 
Yes, any automatic scheduling by IO will always be charged at the off-peak rate (currently 7.5p).

When you plug in the car will start charging - it may take a few minutes for IO to detect this and stop the car. This always works for me but if it is still charging after 10 mins you can go into the Tesla app and manually stop charging - but it would be worth checking in the IO app that a charge schedule has been set - otherwise disconnect and try again.
Thank you so much for your help :)
 
Roughly what kind of monthly price did the bill jump when on IO for people as compared to before without the IO tariff? I wanted to compare costs is all.
That's impossible to tell unless we know your usage : typical household consumption, how frequently you charge your car and for how long, what's the power of your home charger, if you have solar/PV, etc...

You can refer to this calculator made by a fellow forum member to help you out and see that IO is suited for you :

Tesla Cost to charge calculator - TeslaEV.co.uk
 
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I'm on IO but haven't used scheduled changing since I got solar.

I got an email last week asking me why I wasn't using it and I replied outlining that the irregular schedule made it difficult to manage with batteries.

Supposedly my Home Assistant install will detect a car charge when an IO session is in progress and turn off battery discharge but I don't want to rely on it.
 
Sorry - haven't read all 117 pages! but am I the only one who signed up with Octopus and can't get a smart meter out of them - for months?
Tried to book a smart meter on the website - bugs on the website - every link failed
Tried to contact them - got told to use the website
Tried to contact them again - got told to email them
Emailed them and so on ...

So far I have got "we have booked the install with an engineer who will contact you with a date" and that was weeks ago.

Seems like I am being fobbed off - and all the time I am having to pay excessively to charge the car.
Then of course if you think about it, why would they be in a hurry when they can advertise cheap rates but not deliver them.

Disappointing to say the least, and based on my experience Octopus are the second worst power supplier I have ever had to deal with.
Maybe they're proud of their rating marginally above NPower.

Perhaps I should contact ASA or OFGEM for misleading advertising, preferably though has anybody got any ideas or ways to help get this progressed?
Thanks.
 
Sorry - haven't read all 117 pages! but am I the only one who signed up with Octopus and can't get a smart meter out of them - for months?
Tried to book a smart meter on the website - bugs on the website - every link failed
Tried to contact them - got told to use the website
Tried to contact them again - got told to email them
Emailed them and so on ...

So far I have got "we have booked the install with an engineer who will contact you with a date" and that was weeks ago.

Seems like I am being fobbed off - and all the time I am having to pay excessively to charge the car.
Then of course if you think about it, why would they be in a hurry when they can advertise cheap rates but not deliver them.

Disappointing to say the least, and based on my experience Octopus are the second worst power supplier I have ever had to deal with.
Maybe they're proud of their rating marginally above NPower.

Perhaps I should contact ASA or OFGEM for misleading advertising, preferably though has anybody got any ideas or ways to help get this progressed?
Thanks.
Try Twitter Direct Messaging - I’ve always had a prompt & helpful response with resolution of any issue within a day at most.

Having said that, Octopus arranged the fitting of my smart meters back in 2020, long before they absorbed hundreds of thousands of new customers from failed energy providers.

With energy prices where they have been/are I suspect installers may be overloaded for a foreseeable time to come, hence long delays.
 
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Sorry - haven't read all 117 pages! but am I the only one who signed up with Octopus and can't get a smart meter out of them - for months?
Tried to book a smart meter on the website - bugs on the website - every link failed
Tried to contact them - got told to use the website
Tried to contact them again - got told to email them
Emailed them and so on ...

So far I have got "we have booked the install with an engineer who will contact you with a date" and that was weeks ago.

Seems like I am being fobbed off - and all the time I am having to pay excessively to charge the car.
Then of course if you think about it, why would they be in a hurry when they can advertise cheap rates but not deliver them.

Disappointing to say the least, and based on my experience Octopus are the second worst power supplier I have ever had to deal with.
Maybe they're proud of their rating marginally above NPower.

Perhaps I should contact ASA or OFGEM for misleading advertising, preferably though has anybody got any ideas or ways to help get this progressed?
Thanks.
If you think that’s bad, my experience with OVO was;

1) Request smart meters - wait 2 months
2) Engineer fits smart meter - stops working after 12 days.
3) Report fault - 6 weeks wait for engineer visit
4) Engineer turns up - “meters are ok”, it’s a data problem on OVO’s side” - Engineer leaves.
5) Inform OVO - various hassles answering same questions over and over, meter tests ok, all lights flashing correctly, good signal, blah blah blah - wait 4 weeks for them to send “OVO” Engineer.
6) Engineer doesn’t turn up - wait 3 weeks for another appointment.
7) Engineer turns up - fits new smart meters. Tested, all working.
8) New smart meters stop working after 13 days again !
9) Repeat steps 3) - 7) - Meters working ! (For now!?)

Third set of smart meters working !

All in all over a year from first requesting smart meters.

The smart meters are fitted by a third party company, so everyone is at the mercy of whoever that company is in your region. And I guess we’re just one of tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of people in a queue !

I filed an official complaint that they didn’t meet the 45 days minimum response time to rectify a fault and requested compensation. Didn’t get a reply. Chased up, again and again - nothing !

It’s all very infuriating !
 
Sorry - haven't read all 117 pages! but am I the only one who signed up with Octopus and can't get a smart meter out of them - for months?
Tried to book a smart meter on the website - bugs on the website - every link failed
Tried to contact them - got told to use the website
Tried to contact them again - got told to email them
Emailed them and so on ...

So far I have got "we have booked the install with an engineer who will contact you with a date" and that was weeks ago.

Seems like I am being fobbed off - and all the time I am having to pay excessively to charge the car.
Then of course if you think about it, why would they be in a hurry when they can advertise cheap rates but not deliver them.

Disappointing to say the least, and based on my experience Octopus are the second worst power supplier I have ever had to deal with.
Maybe they're proud of their rating marginally above NPower.

Perhaps I should contact ASA or OFGEM for misleading advertising, preferably though has anybody got any ideas or ways to help get this progressed?
Thanks.

Keep your own records of consumption and payments during this period (with car charging consumption). There have been instances of customers receiving refunds from Octopus to compensate for additional delay in transferring tariffs. Octopus appears to be overwhelmed by huge numbers of new customers that they didn't ask for but were obliged to take on all at once when other suppliers collapsed.
 
Keep your own records of consumption and payments during this period (with car charging consumption). There have been instances of customers receiving refunds from Octopus to compensate for additional delay in transferring tariffs. Octopus appears to be overwhelmed by huge numbers of new customers that they didn't ask for but were obliged to take on all at once when other suppliers collapsed.
I'm thinking they have something booked now but clearly this is obviously with external providers/installers and it is now up to them to give a date, still a rubbish experience and costly - I have little hope of any credit/compensation but it is a two rate meter so simple enough to do the math, I may try asking.

As for
huge numbers of new customers that they didn't ask for but were obliged to take on all at once
nah - not really - they took the opportunity and fought very hard to get them (Bulb esp) to the point that other suppliers contested the somewhat less than transparent deal done with HM govt. Have they bitten off more than they can chew - quite probably
 
Ok, so just initiated the swap to Octopus.

With respect to Solar and (not depleting) battery storage. (GivEnergy specifically.) on IO;

What’s working best for you guys on IO; Pros and Cons?

A) Setting the Tesla in App start charge time to 23:30 or
B) Setting the “off-peak End time” to 05:30 ?

And I presume the “Departure time” has little/ no effect on the charging process. That’s just maybe one percent of onboard battery for melting the ice/ frost, warming the inside, etc.

I understand both of these settings prevent the car from starting its little ‘charging straight away for a few minutes at peak time’ thing but which is the better option? Thoughts/ advice?

And….

Would this be the correct settings for option B)

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Does Intelligent Octopus still have the problem where it keeps the car awake when away from home, draining the battery?
Not like it did originally it now polls the Tesla API when the car is awake as opposed to keeping it awake
I got a good tip somewhere on this forum which has been working well for me for several months on IO;
Set the car schedule to start charging at 2330 - there's then no faff of manually stopping the charge in the Tesla app. IO still successfully creates a schedule and if it wanted to can still start a charge earlier than 2330.

Other benefit is a nice safety net if for whatever reason IO doesn't properly connect to or control the car's charge; the car will start charging at 2330 anyway (but stop again if IO wants it to).
It creates the schedule as long as its kept awake long enough, in some cases I never receive a schedule if the car is asleep when I plug in for example until the 2330 period but to be fair it is rather rare anyway
 
I switched to IO a couple of weeks ago. Hasn't been a great experience so far.

First of all discovered the Android onboarding issue.
Got around that using a friend's iPhone and all seemed good.
First attempt at a 'smart' charge ended in failure. Everything looked good with the test charge and devices in the app, but no charge plan was forthcoming when I plugged in.
Spoke to Octopus on the phone and out of nowhere a smart charging plan notification popped up. Still logged a ticket with them as I wasn't confident that was the final fix.
Turned out it wasn't, because even with the charging plan showing in the app, it didn't matter what time I plugged in, the car would just charge up to the set limit and nothing showed in the charging history in the Octopus app.
Left it a few days and heard nothing about the support ticket so tried to call them today but they weren't accepting calls so I emailed and got an unhelpful reply a few hours later.

Is there actually a support ticket system at Octopus with reference numbers and a way to monitor progress? I'm suspecting not.
I'm just going to schedule charging after 23:30 for the moment but if I don't get a smart charge done in a couple of weeks I presume I'll be told I can't stay on the tariff?